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aplantage on "old spam"

aplantage — Sun, 07 Oct 2012 14:20:27 +0000

"Youtube comments are not debates. They are arguments started by trolls."

In this generality, this statement is wrong.

thegiddygoat on "old spam"

thegiddygoat — Sun, 07 Oct 2012 14:17:02 +0000

Youtube comments are not debates. They are arguments started by trolls. This thread was originally about spam comments, and i don't think there's anything more to add, as everyone has answered about that, and we are not supposed to debate in the forum, which is what this is becoming.

aplantage on "old spam"

aplantage — Sun, 07 Oct 2012 14:12:28 +0000

"is that what you want?"

This is going somewhat off topic, but:

1) I wasn't comparing YT with WP in every regard.
2) What's wrong with debate, as long as it's intelligent? I think we're having one right here and now. :-)
3) My experience with YT has been positive, and I believe that the type of response has a lot to do with the kind of content that is posted.
4) It is no longer true that only kids use YT. The stats there show demographic breakdowns of the users of one's channel, and in case those aren't accurate, I've "met" people there (corresponded with them via pm etc). Many are my age, also academics etc.
5) Certainly one has to be logged in to "like" - but since this is true for both YT and WP, it is not relevant for the question at hand.

I'm mainly interested in movies, so my topics on YT are the same as on WP; the two platforms could even complement each other. I believe that it is possible to enjoy movies and discuss them intelligently. So I'm surprised at the extremely negative comments about YT here. Could it be that an old-fashioned prejudice of "images are dumb and words are intelligent" are at the root of this, even in the era of the internet? :-)

thegiddygoat on "old spam"

thegiddygoat — Sun, 07 Oct 2012 11:55:39 +0000

Almost every Youtube video i look at has arguments going on in the comments, is that what you want? Listening to a music video or watching something on a video is different to reading a blog. You can't compare Youtube to WordPress because they are two entirely different things. Youtube is probably 80% young people (kids), and young people are not interested in reading blogs. As for the 'like', people have to be logged in to WordPress to like, just the same as on Youtube.

aplantage on "old spam"

aplantage — Sun, 07 Oct 2012 11:49:18 +0000

Yes, I have tagged, and both the titles and the texts contain keywords that people would search for if they are interested in the topic. (This pertains to what I called point 1)).

Yes, like I said, I realize that not all people comment. But a much higher percentage does on YT. So I wondered why. Perhaps they find videos less difficult to comment on than texts (and my texts my be relatively complicated). (This pertains to point 2).

If someone just likes a text but does not want to comment, there is a "like" function here, same as on YT.

thegiddygoat on "old spam"

thegiddygoat — Sun, 07 Oct 2012 11:38:55 +0000

Have you tagged the posts with key words that people may use in search in search engines? Or have you got key words in your posts that people may use in search engines? Google don't just bring up tags they also bring up posts that includes the words someone has used in search. You just can't make people comment if they don't want to, it's that simple. I have seen many posts over the years that i have really liked, but i still haven't commented on them. Google index comments, and that puts some people off.

aplantage on "old spam"

aplantage — Sun, 07 Oct 2012 11:28:04 +0000

"when i said 'Genuine people very rarely comment' i meant that ..."

I understood that, and I agree. It's nice of you all to comment on this so much :-), but the point seems to be getting lost somehow:

There seem to be two reasons for few comments:

1) People who might be interested in the topic don't find the posts.
2) Few people who find them comment.

These two reasons are additive (they don't exclude each other). Again, one might be able to influence 1) to some extent, but probably not 2).

thegiddygoat on "old spam"

thegiddygoat — Sun, 07 Oct 2012 11:21:01 +0000

@aplantage when i said "Genuine people very rarely comment" i meant that the average person finding a blog through search engines (not on WP) will rarely, if ever, comment, whereas spammers do it constantly through search engines.

aplantage on "old spam"

aplantage — Sun, 07 Oct 2012 08:26:59 +0000

"Youtube is the second biggest search engine in the world."

YouTube isn't a search engine, because the search function only searches YouTube itself, not other sites.

raincoaster on "old spam"

raincoaster — Sun, 07 Oct 2012 08:18:37 +0000

Youtube is the second biggest search engine in the world.

aplantage on "old spam"

aplantage — Sun, 07 Oct 2012 06:49:33 +0000

"You can influence the number of comments by increasing the number of views."

I think we all already understood and agreed to that. :-)

But like I said, I don't want to advertise, or want just people that I know to comment; I wish people would find it when the are interested in something, but the entries don't show up in search engines well enough. I suspect that people go to YouTube and then search there; it seems that they don't do that as much on blogsites.

raincoaster on "old spam"

raincoaster — Sun, 07 Oct 2012 06:38:07 +0000

You can influence the number of comments by increasing the number of views.

aplantage on "old spam"

aplantage — Sun, 07 Oct 2012 06:18:41 +0000

"That's not what I'm saying."

I think we mean the same thing. But the ratio is not like that in my case. I not only get fewer views here, but also fewer comments per view. So there are two separate aspects: one is the number of views (which one might be able to influence), and the second is the likelihood of comments (which one probably can't influence).

raincoaster on "old spam"

raincoaster — Sun, 07 Oct 2012 05:58:09 +0000

That's not what I'm saying. I have a video with over a million views, and it has lots of comments. My videos with fewer views have fewer comments. The ratio is in line with that 700/1 ratio.

aplantage on "old spam"

aplantage — Sun, 07 Oct 2012 05:37:32 +0000

"YT gets a lot of comments because you're looking at popular videos."

I don't doubt that more people prefer to watch vids than read. But the content is the same, so the difference shouldn't be quite as extreme as it is in my case. I think the problem is that if one searches for a topic, the blog entries appear in search engines far down on the list (if at all, even though I have made them searchable).

notawoodpecker on "old spam"

notawoodpecker — Sun, 07 Oct 2012 00:53:38 +0000

aplantage, anything that is a generic attaboy, like 'Great Site, I've bookmarked it and will return often' without making a specific reference to content within the post, is most likely Spam.

You'll also learn to recognize them based on the type of email address they're from. They become very obvious after a short time.

timethief on "old spam"

timethief — Sun, 07 Oct 2012 00:38:08 +0000

Akismet has protected your site from 291,630 spam comments already. There are 4 comments in your spam queue right now.

Content
768 Posts
14 Pages
21 Categories
1,210 Tags

Discussion
15,631 Comments
15,626 Approved
1 Pending
4 Spam

Akismet stats:
47,651 total spam
2,178 total ham
123 missed spam
18 false positives
99.72% accuracy rate

notawoodpecker on "old spam"

notawoodpecker — Sun, 07 Oct 2012 00:31:06 +0000

Akismet has protected your site from 891 spam comments already.
There are 7 comments in your spam queue right now.

Most of them (by far) were from the spammer [lista de emails] that has been noted several times on this board that WP states they can't block.

timethief on "old spam"

timethief — Sun, 07 Oct 2012 00:17:15 +0000

Interesting.

notawoodpecker on "old spam"

notawoodpecker — Sun, 07 Oct 2012 00:13:38 +0000

Of close to 900 comments, 5 were legitimate and I deleted 2 of those as unresponsive and argumentative, leaving a total of 3 Approved.

auxclass on "old spam"

auxclass — Sun, 07 Oct 2012 00:01:55 +0000

My YouTube channel is at 1,100 views and no comments. My main site has one comment for ever 3,000 to 4,000 page views maybe. I have a history site that has a higher number of comments per page views but it has a lot on a small town and some people that were born there liked the pictures - my main site - people just come for the info -

raincoaster on "old spam"

raincoaster — Sat, 06 Oct 2012 23:27:54 +0000

I'm averaging one comment per 700 views across all my blogs, and the same on YouTube. YT gets a lot of comments because you're looking at popular videos.

aplantage on "old spam"

aplantage — Sat, 06 Oct 2012 19:10:50 +0000

"The minute after you publish a post you need to actively promote it throughout social networks."

I have no wish to advertise myself. I thought that people would find the posts if they were interested in a certain topic and searched for it (eg a film that is discussed). That's how it works on YouTube.

aplantage on "old spam"

aplantage — Sat, 06 Oct 2012 19:06:19 +0000

"Wow! you experience of youtube and mine aren't the same."

Seems so. I've had trolls, but they have been very few, in contrast to literally hundreds of very nice comments (every few days), and some even quite intelligent and interesting. :-)

timethief on "old spam"

timethief — Sat, 06 Oct 2012 19:04:22 +0000

If you don't mind me saying so, relying on the field of dreams notion ie. "build a blog and they will come" is bound to result in disappointment. The minute after you publish a post you need to actively promote it throughout social networks. Even after you do that for about every 700 - 800 page views you will get only 1 comment.

timethief on "old spam"

timethief — Sat, 06 Oct 2012 19:00:45 +0000

Wow! you experience of youtube and mine aren't the same. Youtube is full of some of the most vile troll comments I have ever read. Some people I know have closed comments on their videos there to stop the trolls who post obscene and asinine off-topic comments.

aplantage on "old spam"

aplantage — Sat, 06 Oct 2012 18:58:01 +0000

"Genuine people very rarely comment"

That's surprising, and rather disappointing. On other sites, such as YouTube, many genuine people comment. Not much point in publishing anything interactively, if there is no interest in discussion.

timethief on "old spam"

timethief — Sat, 06 Oct 2012 18:51:44 +0000

Attracting followers that comment takes lots of time an effort. It takes months of posting frequently to attract viewers who will actually submit comments. Reciprocity is alive and well in the blogosphere; social networking is strictly give to get. The best way to get comments on your own posts is to leave meaningful comments on blogs with similar content to what's in your own blog. Set a goal of commenting on "X" number of blogs weekly and carry through. Best wishes with your blog.

thegiddygoat on "old spam"

thegiddygoat — Sat, 06 Oct 2012 18:51:20 +0000

They are certainly spam comments and if you allow loads of spam comments on your blog Google will soon drop you down the bottomless well as it will see your blog as spam. And if you approve spam comments that Akismet has marked as spam you will get a warning from WordPress. Genuine people very rarely comment. Spammers comment constantly with the same comments. The email address is usually a clue to a spammer too, as is the username.

timethief on "old spam"

timethief — Sat, 06 Oct 2012 18:48:26 +0000

But the comment by "Mark" on JULES ET JIM was categorized as spam as well, and you seem to agree that that IS a genuine comment?

This comment is spam. http://aplantage.wordpress.com/2012/09/27/147/#comment-8