Need help? Check out our Support site, then


Advice re tags

  1. I'm not quite clear about tags and the guidelines for tags which I think say 15 tags will get the maximum returns. I can't work out if that is 15 words, or 15 phrases, and whether it is necessary to repeat the "is", the "why is" or the "what is", etc.

    What would be helpful and easy to understand would be if someone who knows about thsi would please help with an example, and kindly go through this sample list and edit it into what it should be, which could then be applied to other tag lists.

    is reiki idolatry, is reiki of God, is reiki cursed, occultic, reikans, does reiki channelling work, reiki demons, reiki spirits not of God, Tibetan occultism and reiki, what is wrong with reiki, why reiki is bad, why is reiki cursed, why reiki is connected to the occult, why reiki is occultism, can reiki be Christian, what is wrong with reiki, why reiki is dangerous

    Thank you.

    The blog I need help with is truthinreality.com.

  2. It's the combined total of 15 categories and tags. Note that both Categories and Tags can contain more than a single word ie. they can be 2 or 3 word phrases but wherever possible a single word is best.

    The parallel is a library one. I am a librarian and if any junior librarian assigned this whack of categories/tags to any book they categorized I would suspend them on the the spot.

    is reiki idolatry, is reiki of God, is reiki cursed, occultic, reikans, does reiki channelling work, reiki demons, reiki spirits not of God, Tibetan occultism and reiki, what is wrong with reiki, why reiki is bad, why is reiki cursed, why reiki is connected to the occult, why reiki is occultism, can reiki be Christian, what is wrong with reiki, why reiki is dangerous

    Religion, Christianity, Fundamentalism, religious diatribes

  3. Sorry but I do not understand your answer. I am not applying for a job as a librarian, never even go to the library and as far as I know, have nothing whatever to do with libraries. In fact about the closest connection I have with a library is apparently posting on here, where you have answered several times - for which thanks!

    (I could not imagine what it would be like to sack someone 'on the spot'! I remember my brother saying he was forced to 'sack' three people once, and it made him ill for weeks.)

    The fact is that people obviously put certain search terms into Google, and I just gave this as an example of how they ought to be formulated.

    To rephrase the question: do I need to put - for example - the "what is", "can" or "why is" in each time in separate phrases, or would one mention of each word cover the several occurrences of it.

    When you say a combination of categories and tags, I do not understand what 'categories' refers to?

    I've no idea how the total of 15 is arrived at and what the 'limit' is on the actual number of words.

    I will start with the SEO in a few weeks, which seems to be quite a daunting task, but have some more important things to do first, while in the meantime I'd just like to get a set of tags in place on the articles.

    Perhaps I need a Happiness Engineer again!

  4. a) Categories are the main subgroups of your posts ("General", "The Truth About the New Age" etc etc). Tags are supposed to be more specific keywords related to the content of a particular post. And they are supposed to be keywords, not complete phrases.
    b) The alleged limit of 15 applies to the combined total of tags plus categories per post. But actually there's no hard limit: that number is just a suggestion. And the suggestion has nothing to do with Google: it refers to the WP "Topics" pages.
    c) "The fact is that people obviously put certain search terms into Google", but another fact is that you don't understand how Google works. Tags were (and are) greatly abused, so search engines nowadays pay attention to your content rather than your tags. Here's Matt Cutts of Google on tags:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A96yDPqa2rs
    When someone types a phrase in the Google searchbox, Google scans the web for articles that contain any of the characteristic words of the phrase (articles, auxiliary verbs and other too common words are ignored). For example, I entered "why reiki is connected to the occult" (without the quotation marks), and your relevant post turned up on the second page of Google results: not because you've added that tag, but because the post itself contains the words "reiki", "connected" and "occult".
    So, the short answer to your question is that the bunch of phrases you pasted above, used as a group of tags, would be both ridiculous and useless. At most you can add "Reiki" as a tag, if you want your post to show on the WP "Reiki" page (for Google it's totally unnecessary, since the word is included in the title of the post, which is far more important than a tag).

  5. Thank you for your answer, Justpi.

    From reading the above it seems that it is pointless me having a tag at all?

    Is there any point in adding the word "reiki" if it is already included in the title?

    Are you saying that in effect tags are just to include single nouns that aren't included in the post, not phrases at all, say for example "reikans" if that wasn't in the title or article?

    If I didn't have - say - "what is" or "how do" in the title or article, would it be worth having it as a tag.

    I'm still not clear about whether the 15 recommended limit is the total number of words including the category, but not the title.

    Sometimes it feels like I am trying to communicate in a different language, and in fact, I probably am... However that's probably what gives me the insight to have a different angle on things.

    However I hope the above is fairly understandable, and answerable.

  6. The 15 limit doesn't have anything to do with the title or content. A tag can be a single word or a phrase. Your latest post has only one category and no tags, http://truthinreality.com/category/general/when-things-get-tough/

  7. May I also give another example which would help to make it clearer, please:

    "believe it receive it, blab it grab it, claim it, doctrine, error, false, flesh help, heresy, heretics, megachurch, name it, seeker friendly, self help"

    In this example, is there any need to repeat the "it" - or not?

    Thanks.

  8. Sure, if you want to google highly for "it." Otherwise, tags are primarily a way for people interested in a particular topic to browse your blog. On my blog, people often browse the Cthulhu category, so they click on it and read all my posts that are related to the subject. If you take "it" out of your tags, will they make sense for someone who wants to read about the topic? If so, you might as well. But I don't know anyone who'd click on "believe receive". It has to make sense to people.

  9. OK, thanks, that's helpful for a start.

    As I understand it so far, the category is itself a tag, and then one is recommended to have up to 15 phrases for tags and these tags ought to include any repetitions of articles and 'is' 'should' so on? They ought to be whole 'stand-alone' phrases that people might put into Google but don't appear in the article.

    It looks like there is no simple answer for all the questions I have about tagging, but this is a start and for the rest I'll have to wait until I have the time to research which is going to be a few weeks or months.

    I'd appreciate any more advice in the meantime.

    Thank you.

  10. It doesn't matter if the phrases or words are in the article or not.

    Seriously, just figure out what your post is about and add those as tags or categories. You are overthinking this. Look at my blog: I have over 400 categories. Just figure out what your post is truly ABOUT and use those as tags and/or categories. Do not have any more than 15 on any particular post.

  11. This may be useless information, but I've been blogging here for five years and although I started out using a very small number of categories, I don't use ANY tags. None at all. I consider them to be nothing but clutter. Yet I have over two million pageviews. That's no big deal, really, but it shows that people can use search engines to find a blog without tags.

  12. Tags and categories are identical in WP.com. I don't know why they even have the two different things.

  13. Prancercise LOL on Raincoaster's blog:

    Oh dear, she must be a bit oblivious.

    Watching her makes me uncomfortable worrying whether there is some perv lurking in the bushes and waiting for a chance....

    Yuk!

  14. It's my understanding that Tags and Categories are treated exactly the same way by all search engines, not just here at WordPress.com.

    These days search engines pay more attention to your keywords in your content than they do to your keywords in Tags/Categories. In fact neither Categories not Tags are required for SEO purposes.
    (Google's algortims can detect whether or not any keyword used as a category/tag is found in the content of the post that category/tag is assigned to. )

    In a blog Is it worth spending time on creating tags and categories?
    See Matt Cutt's in the video here telling us not to waste our time:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=A96yDPqa2rs

    Support documentation - Categories vs. Tags - Frequently Asked Questions

  15. Timethief asks: "In a blog Is it worth spending time on creating tags and categories?"

    Probably not, for SEO purposes. The only reason of which I'm aware for using categories is classify posts by subject matter with the Category Cloud widget. There's also a cloud widget for tags, but people use so many different tags that the resulting cloud would be too fuzzy.

Topic Closed

This topic has been closed to new replies.

About this Topic