Unless I'm missing something completely here, don't you (staff) think that you should ban blogs that ONLY reblog content and that contain nothing original of their own? To my mind they are as bad as scraper or SEO blogs. On your 'types of blog' page I see nothing about it and yet this is on the increase. It helps nobody - except them.
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I couldn't agree more. And the more out front they are with this policy the more attractive they will be to original content suppliers.
To my mind they are as bad as scraper or SEO blogs.
I'm third in and I likewise agree. I'd like to see the "types of blogs" policy page updated to clearly state that blogs filled with reblogs ie. content scraper blogs and are not allowed.
Got reblogged on one of those recently. As nearly as I could tell, the blog consisted of nothing but reblogs. No original content. I'm not sure it would be legal to ban those blogs if that's what the owner enjoys doing -- collecting material from other sources. A determined splogger or scraper would take the whole post, not just reblogs. A better solution would be to give us a way to disable the reblogging of our posts, as has been suggested repeatedly since Reblog was first introduced.
I just saw somebody in the forum complaining because he couldn't get the Like function enabled on reblogs. Well, hell, why should anyone collect Likes on posts to which they contributed nothing? This isn't Tumblr.
Nor is it Facebook. If people want to collect likes, let them do it with their own material.
Yeah, I have come across a few of these blogs, and I think I know what your talking about. They leave a like, and when you go see all you see is reblogs, no menu structure or about page, just a home page with and endless stream of reblogs. I imagine some poor sap htting the reblog button all day (although maybe they have it automated).
On the other hand I recently started exploring the reblog function, and I do remember reading somewhere when looking into to it that you shouldn't do it too much, because it could be seen as spam.
It might be difficult objectify when someone is reblogging too much. Who is to decide whether your a happy blogger or spammer. It sounds restrictive. If someone wants to write a blog with reblogs, well that is really up to them I feel. Who am I or anyone else to decide, you know what I mean? I'd like to see some middleground there.
Maybe a different approach may provide some benefit:
What about as author of a post one has to give permission for a reblog. So that if someone hits the reblog button a request gets sent to the blog author, and they can then check what the blog that send the request is about, and decide whether they want to be on that blog.
The option that @windwhistle would definitely be a welcome addition.
If it is a spam blog then they report it from there. Which could cut out on the amount of requests sent from that blog (as well as likes coming from a spam blog). Ackismet may even be trained to see patterns in this.
Personally I have turned comments off, because I believe they and things like likes should go to the original blog post author. Just want to give credit where credit is due.
If someone wants to write a blog, that's great. That's different from just reblogging. Scrapbooking and writing a novel are different.
Indeed they are and I long for the days when WordPress.com and Tumblr were distinct.
I'm not sure what the benefit is of someone who only reblogs?
Gain SEO, and then replace it with your their own content at some point?
I don't think search engines give a whole lot of juice to a blog with only reblogs. And people can remove the comment in their blog.
So where's the upshot?
If it is a feature that comes with WordPress.com then I find it hard how you can ban blogs that make only use of it. Impose a limit of how many reblogs you can do per article that you write or how many posts you can reblog a day? The next step then would probably that some people write phony articles. Making controlling it possibly even more work.
I agree, though that it is a problem which I'm seeing more of lately. For me what matters is the intent of the person. Are they doing it for personal gain, or for building a cool blog.
I'm fine with limits imposed though.
reblogs contribute negatively to SEO, actually. That's why you hardly ever see a Tumblr in your Google search results.
Amen to that, tt. I'm trying to write good stuff, interesting stuff, maybe even occasionally important stuff for myself and my readers. I don't do it to provide free filler for other bloggers.
As someone who has a Tumblr, I can say it's useful as a scrapbook or filing cabinet. It's not without its place, but it's not a blog.
I used to have a Tumblr music blog. I was aware the SEO there sucked but I did have some fun with it, until the demands on my time elsewhere increased. I deleted the blog and waved bye, bye but I still have an empty blog there.
I'm a proponent for having to get permission form the post author for a reblog.
Especially since photographs get shown in a reblog, and this can be difficult with rights.
I think a opt-in on a case by case basis would be better then an opt-out. It could cut down on some of these spam blogs as well. Although I'm sure some people will find a way to work around it.
I like that idea, and it should be doable. Stores the reblog as a Draft until approved by the original blogger, like a comment in moderation.
I just noticed today that Reblog doesn't pick up the caption, alt text, credits, etc. that we include with images. Cutting that out is a disservice to our efforts to credit our sources and a disservice to those whom we've credited. And in the case of my recent post that got reblogged so much, it was WordPress that specifically asked me to include that information.
some of my posts have just being reblogged at this site. Please stop this
What the hell? This isn't right. Remove the reblog function please.
Personally I think the whole reblogging thing should either be done away with entirely, or have its intended function altered. But, in my opinion, the way it is now results in messy looking posts, and involves very little configuration options. I've used it once, maybe twice.
One way its intended function could be altered (just the first thing that came to mind, I'm sure there are better ways this could be done) would be by requiring something be written in response to what is being reblogged. For instance, applying a minimum word requirement in the text box when reblogging something. As of now it reads: "Add your thoughts here... (optional)."
Why should that be optional? Why would we want to encourage thoughtless reblogging? I'm not saying it should require a full-featured article's worth of text, but a 50-100 word minimum seems reasonable. If you're going to reblog something, you should at least demonstrate a basic understanding of the content. This would make 'reblogging' more closely related to 'response videos' on YouTube, as opposed to a mere link farming tool.
I'm NOT against reblogs, I just want to make that clear. What I'm against is blogs that are set up just to show reblogged posts.
A reblog that is done with the original blogger's permission, is fine.
Never confuse reblogs with reposts - a repost is the whole post. A reblog is just part of the post.
However, I agree completely with windwhistle, above. When reblogging was brought in as a link in the reader pages, etc, my art site here that I now use as a website, was an actual art blog and I found - by reblogging one of my posts myself on another blog - that the essential details didn't transfer to the reblog. That, in my opinion, is wrong. All wrong.
Hmm..I reblog some of my subscriber's posts - because they are excellent and I want to share them and give them a bigger audience.
I didn't realize that some people would think that I was wrong to do so.
Maybe I shouldn't reblog? I thought I was doing someone a favor?
@jameskallway Excellent idea if WP can implement it. Like any legitimate quote that is included as part of a larger discussion, a reblog should be accompanied by commentary by the reblogger -- his thoughts about the reblog and why he thinks it's important or relevant, putting the reblog in some kind of context, or adding something to the discussion. That would help cut down on those people who fill their blog with reblogs without any apparent reason for reblogging the post in the first place.
However, it does not change the fact that the reblog function is ill-considered, enables rather than protects from scrapers and plagiarizers, takes too much written material, takes all the images without retaining their various credits and attached information, and fails to demonstrate or expedite the proper form of quotation and attribution. It is a disservice to WP bloggers who devote time and effort to creating original material for their blogs and instead aids in the taking of that material by others. Instead of being a tool for those bloggers who work to make WP.com the success it is, it punishes them by ensuring others can easily take their work and make it a prominent post on their own blog with the simply click of a button -- without limitation, without comment, without putting it in context or even explaining why it was taken.
I am so glad for this forum topic, have wondered about these sites that basically steal your post, and re-post the whole thing, when I looked on the site it was just what you guys are talking about and wondered what benefit it is to the person owning the blog?
I am in favor of "requesting permission to re-blog" nothing worse than writing your post, publishing, then finding it on another blog, have courtesy to request permission, one once did I re-blog a great Rhubarb recipe but at least I wrote to the blogger and asked permission.
Thanks for starting this thread.
staff used to say if your blog was nothing but a duplicate of a blog elsewhere, that it be set to private. seems logical that if blogs are only reblogs, they should be private as well.
@raincoaster That's a nice sentiment from WP, but people who reblog are usually looking for an easy way to draw traffic and they won't get it if they mark their blogs private. If WP really feels that way, they should just make all reblogs private by default. Then rebloggers could have them for their own private enjoyment but couldn't use them to improve their readership.
but reblogs, as stated above, are a completely ineffective way to draw traffic.
I've had a few posts reblogged and at first was stunned to find my images and/or words show up on another blog. I don't think I would be nearly as bothered by it if the reblogger engaged me in other ways too... say leaving a comment on the post they liked enough to reblog (other than the default notification), or any other post for that matter.
@raincoaster Then the rebloggers shouldn't mind at all if all reblogs are made private.
@ifmomsaysok That takes us back to an earlier, very logical suggestion that reblogs be held in moderation until the reblogger seeks and receives permission from the author to reblog his or her content. Asking permission is the courteous and proper approach.
@windwhistle I know I would appreciate being asked first. I've had content plagiarized before, and finding out was like a gut punch. That's how I felt the first time I saw something of mine had been reblogged without prior approval.
Is this really the first time we as a community have come to the collective conclusion that the reblogging tool needs revamping? Apparently I'm not the only one around here who likes to mix a little cannabis with their blogging. :P
It's okay, I won't tell on ya'll. :)
Anyway, now that I'm done trying to be funny, we have three very good ideas laid out here. I really want something to be done about this, so for the sake of facilitating that and further ideas on the matter, I'm gonna lay out what we got so far.
Problem: Reblogging facilitates and encourages undesirable blogs as defined by WordPress.com itself. Furthermore, it lacks even the most basic configuration options necessary to properly cite the content it reblogs, which also runs contrary to the value system of WordPress and Automattic.
- Allow bloggers the option to enable/disable reblogging on a blog-to-blog basis.
- Allow bloggers the option to to moderate reblogs of their content on a case-by-case basis.
- Mandate a minimum word count for rebloggers. Thinking isn't optional 'round these parts!
On an unrelated note, the forums need a preview option. Not much fun going through each html tag to make sure you closed them all.
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