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Beep Beep Boop screen is a joke. Is this a glitch?

  1. @diaryofdennis
    Hi there,
    Every WordPress.org install has the TinyMCE editor bundled into the install. The 3.9 update "trimmed" the number of features down. The plugin for Advanced TinyMCE is this one https://wordpress.org/plugins/tinymce-advanced/

  2. Thank you TIme. This is something I would want to install then. I will bookmark it in case I must go the selhosting route.

  3. @justjennifer

    @gracejiyoung-

    Given the feedback in this post, if the Classic Editor is removed, that will be a deal breaker for a lot of people here.

    +1000

  4. "I hesitate to mention this here -- because I don't want WP to mess with it -- but the simplest way (mentioned previously be a few others) to find OE (Old Editor) is to go to the front page of your blog site > click on the name of your site in the upper left-hand corner of the screen > select and click New from the drop down menu (NOT New Post or New Page or New Anything else, just NEW)."

    Susanbourne's suggestion doesn't work for me.
    Whichever I click on: Dashboard, New Comments, Customize, or Widgets nothing opens at all. Only when I click on sub-menus does it go anywhere - the cr*ppy 'BBB' joke screen.

  5. @gracejiyoung
    There is a blogger with visual impairment who has accessibility issues. I do not want that "modlooked" thread to get lost here so I am cross-referencing by posting the link to the thread here
    http://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic/about-publish-button?replies=2#post-2004317 Thanks, in advance, for seeing that the blogger gets Staff assistance.

  6. @diaryofdennis
    You're welcome, Dennis and best wishes.

  7. @timethief
    New to this controversy after being out of town for over three weeks.

    A few thoughts and observations:

    The new editor strikes me as something akin to when the Reader was completely redesigned. From someone who uses a desktop for blogging, the new editor layout seems to be directed to a more mobile device crowd (tablet and smartphone) - hence the narrower editor layout. Whether or not this was the basis for the new layout, it does make it more difficult particularly for those who use a desktop or laptop for their blogging. Since it appears WP is likely committed to the new editor at some future full-rollout date, the development team also needs to work on the full-screen mode for those who may/will continue blogging on a desktop. (Not everything displays correctly when in full-screen mode.)

    Having been on WP since Jan 2006, I've seen plenty changes and some of the bugginess as the changes through the years. I suspect this particular change may be a difficult one since the new editor layout is not as intuitive as the "classic" version. It will take time to adjust and adapt to how it functions.

    Best regards.

  8. As Einstein famously remarked, "everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler".

  9. I read through 9 pages but couldn't find the answer I was looking for.

    Can someone, pref from staff as they will know as a definitive, if the work around which is being suggested (and I guess indeed used by 99% of wordpress.com users) will be permanent or will that option be taken away and we will be forced to use the rather childish beep beep boop or whatever it says option.

  10. @steevjp
    As far as I know, and I have been following this thread since page 2, there has been no loud and clear statement from staff whether the *classic* editor will remain as an option, once the infinitely silly beep beep boop editor has been marked as debugged and here to stay.

  11. @gracejiyoung

    Have you noticed there isn't an option to add or edit subheadings to posts in the BBB-Editor? My premium theme supports them, see an example here: http://couchkartoffelchips.wordpress.com/2014/08/03/kate-bush-experiment-iv/ ("Song des Tages" is the subheadline)

    I'd hate it to see such small but useful posting choices vanish into thin air.

  12. @steevjp

    The staff answer, so far, is here:
    http://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic/removing-the-scrollbar-from-the-post-editor-one-of-the-worst-improvements-yet/page/14?replies=394#post-2003717

    Wednesday morning, August 20, 7:45AM EDST, just tried it. Still not permanent.

  13. Why take something that works and totally mess it up???

  14. Why take something that works and totally mess it up???

    @pakamo3711: that is a common trend on the Internet, they call it "progress".

  15. Please return the old editor on a permanent basis. The new one is a bit of a joke and represents a significant downgrade.
    Thank you-

  16. @knashermac2009-ah, thank you for jogging my memory about the upload trick you had. I now remember our forum discussions about it breaking with the "new" Gallery.

    Anyway, my real point is that old posts (with the gallery shortcode [gallery] ) cannot be edited with Beep Beep Bloop because it loads all the pictures uploaded to the blog (in my case 12,000) instead of all pictures uploaded to the post.

    THAT is a problem for anyone who used the Gallery feature prior to the update in November 2012 and one that will have to be addressed by Staff.

    This means that if the classic editor is removed, then I am stuck (cannot edit posts with old galleries); and if the old style gallery is removed, then my old posts with old galleries cannot be viewed.

    Cannot edit, yes. Cannot be viewed, I don't believe it should make a difference. But then again, who am I to talk? I have quite a number of flickr oembeded slideshows currently missing. (Can we also mention p-i-c-a-p-p, for those who remember it, which also disappeared?)

  17. sensuouscurmudgeon
    Member

    gracejiyoung, or any Happiness Engineer:

    I'm repeating this from yesterday, because it's important:

    It would be very useful if you could give us the estimated date the developers are considering for the retirement of the "classic" editor. Will it be this week, next week, a month from now, or what?

    Those of us who can't use Beep Beep Boop need to start considering our alternatives. It takes time to decide where to go, to get a new blog started, and to transfer our contents there. Also, we need to give our readers proper notice about what's going to happen. They deserve to know. And, frankly, so do we.

  18. Hear! Hear!

  19. One way to work quicker using the insultingly slow beep beep bore editor is to open up two or three posts at the same time and edit them whilst the other takes ages to load.

    Another 'issue' with the new editor I discovered today is that you choose a different 'featured' image and save it but it loads up a different image!

    Quite honestly, I have never encountered such a messed-up supposed 'upgrade' any time on internet as this. Its worse than any of the most infamous Microsoft foul ups

  20. Hey Everyone!

    I'm going to try hard to answer all of the questions here. I'll be continuing to read through the bug reports and reporting them to the necessary teams.

    @gastephen - So, you are saying that with the New Editor, drafts are saved in the browser itself and not on the server, right?

    The New Editor autosaves a post within the browser. However, for the draft to appear in your All Posts page on your Dashboard, you will need to manually save it.

    For example, if you started a new post, typed a bit, then exited the post, your content should still be there when you click "New Post" from the New Editor again. That's the browser storage Grace was referring to.

    @whos8that0girl - I can't copy and paste on posts and that doesn't help my situation.

    Can you open a new thread so we can troubleshoot this? I'm afraid it will get lost in the threads here.

    @sylviacole - Perhaps you could enable a way for us to simply chose which editor we prefer and set it as our default? Then everyone would be happy.

    Currently, this is in place with the editor preference. When you switch back to the classic editor, your preference should be saved for six weeks. As of right now, there aren't any plans to offer an option going forward that would permanently set your preference for the editor.

    @ylin002 - Finally, I know you're working on "remembering" preferences. However, my preference for the classic mode is not holding.

    Can you make sure cookies are turned on within your browser?

    @mikecane - And it's now Tuesday. I just tried the "classic" -- ADULT -- editor. the unchecked Screen Option still isn't remembered after Save Draft. My patience is running out.

    Can you make sure cookies are turned on within your browser (same as above)?

    @sensuouscurmudgeon - gracejiyoung, it would be very useful if you could give us the estimated date the developers are considering for the retirement of the "classic" editor. Will it be this week, next week, a month from now, or what?

    We don't have a specific timeline in place. Our goal is to continue to improve the new editor to such an extent that users prefer it over the classic editor.

    @timethief - There is a blogger with visual impairment who has accessibility issues. I do not want that "modlooked" thread to get lost here so I am cross-referencing by posting the link to the thread here
    http://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic/about-publish-button?replies=2#post-2004317 Thanks, in advance, for seeing that the blogger gets Staff assistance.

    Thanks for pointing this out! I'll take a look now.

    @cosgroveloretta - Have you noticed there isn't an option to add or edit subheadings to posts in the BBB-Editor?

    Great point! I'll be sure to bring this up.

    @knashermac2009 - My real point is that old posts (with the gallery shortcode [gallery] ) cannot be edited with Beep Beep Bloop because it loads all the pictures uploaded to the blog (in my case 12,000) instead of all pictures uploaded to the post.

    Thanks for the report here. I was able to recreate this on my side. Currently, it looks like choosing "Uploaded to this post" doesn't properly filter the images. I'll be reporting this as well.

  21. Per jeremeylduvall:

    We don't have a specific timeline in place. Our goal is to continue to improve the new editor to such an extent that users prefer it over the classic editor.

    Why does the phrase "Don't hold your breath" spring to mind? ;-) :-P

  22. sensuouscurmudgeon
    Member

    jeremeylduvall said:

    We don't have a specific timeline in place. Our goal is to continue to improve the new editor to such an extent that users prefer it over the classic editor.

    Thanks for responding. It may be of no interest, but I've just posted about this situation: Whither this Humble Blog?, which describes my impression of things and the plans I'm making in anticipation of the demise of "classic."

  23. Is it possible for you to tell if Automattic has decided to completely overhaul the TinyMCE editor for WordPress.com users, without a possibility of alternate choices?

    I am currently okay with the interim solution of cookie-based selection (I thought I didn't need to come back to this thread, but it seems to be still alive). It would be a nightmare to adopt to this variation of your TinyMCE development, if and when it would come to it.

    I would prefer we get really advance heads up on this because I don't see TinyMCE folks going the same route in their development of this product. Or am I missing something?

    WordPress.com Multi-User platform can decide to go whichever route it envisions for itself. I think its users should have clear ideas on the visions of this platform. Please tell me you can provide some clear guidance.

  24. A good compromise would be to keep both the old editor for current users, and provide new editor for the new users. People can pick and choose whatever they like best, depending on their platforms. The new editor is certainly not suitable for desktop editing (I would like to guess that most of the complainants here are using WordPress on desktop).

  25. @jeremeylduvall

    Thanks for the clarification.

    Are you doing anything about the bug in sizing images added to a post when using the BBB editor?

    Steps to reproduce:

    1. Open the BBB editor

    2. Add media

    3. Select an uploaded image from Media Library

    4. Attachment Display Settings / change default selection in 'Size' dropdown to 'Full Size - 675 x 442'

    5. Click 'Insert into post'

    6. The automatically generated markup then resizes the image in both the [caption] and the <img> tag to width="660"

  26. @jeremeylduvall

    The New Editor autosaves a post within the browser. However, for the draft to appear in your All Posts page on your Dashboard, you will need to manually save it.

    Can you explain how this is an improvement? If we delete cookies we will lose our draft if we didn´t save manually? This sounds like a pretty strange design decision and I see this as a downgrade. Is it to minimize load on the WordPress servers?

    When you switch back to the classic editor, your preference should be saved for six weeks. As of right now, there aren't any plans to offer an option going forward that would permanently set your preference for the editor.

    I believe a lot of people delete cookies regularly with CCleaner or whatever after a working session. This is a pretty common practice.
    Why is this option stored locally? This should be saved on the servers as well.

    We don't have a specific timeline in place. Our goal is to continue to improve the new editor to such an extent that users prefer it over the classic editor.

    We still don´t know the reasons for the new editor. I am still shocked that wordpress didn´t communicate earlier with us about the changes. We don´t know anything. Why does the wordpress team believe that there is need for a new editor? What is so bad about the old one? Your answer reads like if we will be for sure forced to use the new editor, and that it is just a matter of time.

    After going through this thread, how do you want to convince us with the new editor? Will it be an exact copy of the old one? It makes no sense to me anyhow. The rejection is clearly visible not only in this thread. I saw a lot of people posting about this issue. There are simply too many issues and the classic editor sets high standards that the new editor can´t reach unless you create a copy of it but thats.... ehhh.

    It looks to me as if the simplifications are done to attract more newbies, to the cost of chasing away those who were your loyal users, those who have done it for you, suggesting the service and teaching the beginners. Getting rid of the loyals, this kind of strategy never worked out well. If you kill your strong and loyal userbase, you will end up with a community that will more and more scream for over-simplifications, resulting in a total downgraded product and service.

    To wear my tinfoil hat again... other reason I can imagine is that it´s again about money. Reduce server load to save money.

    It´s just that I still can´t imagine that it´s done for improvements because I can´t see any improvements. All I see is a huge downgrade and over-simplification, which is by the way funny because most bloggers are not really depending on simple tools that don´t give full access on all features. And the usability aspect has been mentioned several times too here. There are worlds apart the old one and the new one, so that I am pretty nosy what kind of changes we can expect... I don´t get it.

    It´s just that I wish I could understand the decision but I can´t because all we hear is "We gonna do it... forward forward, no matter if you like it or not".

    And as others said. Why is it a problem to give us the permanent option to choose which editor we want to use?

  27. I've seen all of the Happiness Engineer posts about this topic. And I hve only one more thing to add here... "Is it really such a big deal, no matter what is done to 'improve' the newer BBB editor, to just KEEP the Classic editor? And I mean, BEFORE it was changed (to having to uncheck the "expand window" option)?"

    Put it this way... my mother makes a delicious "classic" meatloaf. A new restaurant down the road offers a new meatloaf, the "Beep, Bop, Boop" meatloaf. Which is delicious as well, but different from Mother's.

    Does that mean I now, all of a sudden, want to ELIMINATE my mother's classic meatloaf from my life? NO.

    Bottom line: PLEASE KEEP THE CLASSIC editing option (as it was BEFORE all these changes).

  28. Of all the changes WordPress have made to the blogging platform over the years, just how many others have received such a consistently negative response?

    At what point will WordPress actually take note of the comments being made, and rather than saying "we can fix this", note that the end users (the many millions of us) have been successfully blogging using the classic method, some of us for years (7+ in my case), and simply back away from this pet project that has so incited displeasure with the WordPress community.

    It wouldn't be the first time.

    We don't mind the classic editor. We like the classic editor. We want to retain the classic editor (and not just be given something that looks vaguely like it - why duplicate something that already exists)

    On a similar note, if I move my blog across to the WordPress.org platform to get away from Beep Beep Boop, will that damned editor follow me? I don't want to go to .org necessarily, but I will to get away from it.

    There is one thing that WordPress does badly. It doesn't respect the intelligence of its members (and prospective members). We've managed to work out how to use the classic editor for a long time, and the many millions of blog entries every day is a testament to the fact we can actually work out how to blog using it. If there is a problem with the classic editor, tell us why you think you need to make the change. If it is not justifiable, then don't do it.

  29. For a week now, the Beep Beep Boop went away and the classic editor was back. I WAS SO HAPPY!!!!
    NOW, the Beep Beep Boop editor is back.
    I am a few clicks from saying screw it.
    WordPress.com is TERRIBLE for doing this to its customers!
    How come no major news agency is reporting on their unethical activity?
    How are they getting away with scamming us like this? I paid $300 for easy to use - as it was months ago. Now they make it complicated to use. Sounds like bait and switch to me.

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