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Do You believe the term "BAD" people were born that way?

  1. mssjackie
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    I have always believed kids are the purest of all human kind, yet i live in a town where there are certain kids that the town think there were born that way, one said their lives are not worth living :( one of these kids was in a high speed chase with the police where he crashed his moped and was air lifted to the hospital, i really felt for this kid but others seemed to think this kid was born this way, thus sympathy was not given. I am a single mother of two and it was really hard raising them the right way, whatever that way is LOL but i know how challenging it can be to raise kids so do you think bad people where born this way? personally i still do not see it that way

    The blog I need help with is askmissjackie.wordpress.com.

  2. luridtalesofdoom
    Member

    maybe some people are born with more of a predisposition to certain behaviours, but I think environmental factors trump these by far. In the developmental psychology of our infancy and childhood, in the way society shapes and thwarts out ambitions or in the inequity we suffer from capitalism. I honestly think that everyone is born, not deterministically 'good' or 'bad', but with the potential to perform behaviours that society finds ethically reprehensible - in the right situation anyone can be a thief, a liar, a hypocrite or a murderer. But also everyone - ignoring for a moment those with conditions that preculde an identity of self - is born with the potential to behave alturistically.

  3. noirciplume
    Member

    aren't the parents to blame, if the kids were born that way?

  4. hopeortiz
    Member

    I agree with noirciplume most bad so called behavior I believe they learn from the parents,I was raised by my grandparents for 13 years until now I live with my mom and step dad. My point is my grandparents have taught me how to respect others and treat others the way you want to be treated. Say they taught me other wise I could be mean or have a bad attitude I am glad I am not like that.

  5. mssjackie
    Member

    i agree except that the parents are responsible to a point that is :) i know and i have seen horrific treatment of kids all over, i myself was abused as a child but i did not take the path to be bad for lack of a better word, I also can imagine how environmental factors can play a hugh part too. lets say is we believe in the spiritual aspect of life is it possible to have a bad spirit inherit a child individual soul? btw i still hold out hope for the kids some would say is just bad to the core :)

  6. freddiemaize
    Member

    noirciplume, or is the parent's parents who is to be blamed for not teaching their children about how to raise a child? Stupid world and poor victims.. the children..

  7. dawntreader3
    Member

    Throughout childhood, people are shaped by environmental factors. These can include the type of home one was raised in...what culture, what religion....

    What behaviors was one exposed to? Kindness? Cruelty?

    Many of these things help to predispose a person's life choices. However...once one becomes an adult one DOES have the ability to CHOOSE one's own actions and behaviors. As mssjackie said above...she herself was abused as a child but as an adult, she didn't choose to continue or mimic those abusive behaviors.

    People are not born this way or that. After birth, they are exposed to all kinds of things...and upon reaching adulthood, they choose their own actions.

    Our thoughts are the source of good and the source of evil. When you do something good, do you say that God made you be good? The same holds true in reverse...when someone does something wicked, the devil didn't "make" him do it.

    It all comes from within. We can be plenty good or bad without supernatural help pushing us this way or that.

  8. megumiwasframed
    Member

    freddiemaize, I would argue that with saying that by adulthood, or at least parenthood, the parents in the middle should have figured out whether their childhood was 'good' or not. If they were dissatisfied, then they should attempt to parent in a different way. There are plenty of sources for uncertain parents, after all.

  9. turnthrice
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    I agree with meguniwasframed. A child's behaviour is definitely related to their guardian's parenting style and the environment they've grown up in.

    Another thing I'd like to mention is that when the people around a child, like the "others" you mentioned, have certain expectations those expectations can become a reality simply because people tend to look for evidence of their opinions.

    What I mean to say is, if you expect someone to be a bad person and give them no chance to redeem such prejudice, chances are that person will think that way of themselves and act out with "bad behaviour," since no matter what they do people think of them that way regardless. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy, where what you expect to see is most often what you look for and thus see.

    ^ Forgive me if that was a little confusing. XD

  10. mssjackie
    Member

    while i can understand what everyone have to say i have to say i cannot see how a parent can contribute to whether a child is good or bad :/ as i said i can see why most would say that but i believe and have seen evil that can in habit a body that can turn a relatively beautiful child/person into someone else, and because us as humans are so quick to dismiss or write it off as someone else's fault or the child is just bad we fail to help develop a child into the future of our world, as a road paved for greatness

    i hope that make some kind of sense

  11. dingledodie
    Member

    Some people are psychopaths; they have little or no thought to their actions when and after they've done them. This poses a big problem, and, as we're discussing, your question...I don't think there's a real right or wrong answer, but the best answer I can give you is, yes, some people just are born that way. Others fall under the influence of their parents or their peers (which, in a sense, kids choose their peers according to what their parents taught them.)

    Other "bad" people are the way they are because of household abuse. They grew up thinking that hitting someone, for example, is okay "as long as they deserve it." Or, a child might grow up in a very conservative household and, upon adulthood, might want to go out and explore all these immoral things he or she could be exploring.

  12. happypoppeye
    Member

    No ...its ones life situation that defines the persons attitude.

    Also, "bad" is all relative, or at least sort of. If people are just born bad, than what would the reasoning be behind certain "pockets" of bad people arounf the world. Why are there more bad people born in Arab Sudan? Is al-Quaeda just gathering all the bad people up from different countries? What happenned in Germany during the 30's and 40's ...the water drank by expectant mothers made their unborn babies hate jews? Cambodia in the 70's? A spoiled bunch of rice made the khmer rouge kill 20% of the population? ...no, I truly believe no one is born bad. It's what happens, or starts happening, right after the moment your born that defines your attitude.

  13. karenjump
    Member

    Environmental, economic and social factors all play into how a kid turns out. No, kids were not "born that way." In many cases their parents were complete jerks and are no more capable of raising a toilet seat then they are children! Sorry to be so harsh, but it's true!

  14. pattikuche
    Member

    This written by Philip Larkin (born 1922) written in 1971. This is how he expressed his issues . . .

    Philip Larkin - This Be The Verse

    They **** you up, your mum and dad.
    They may not mean to, but they do.
    They fill you with the faults they had
    And add some extra, just for you.

    But they were ****ed up in their turn
    By fools in old-style hats and coats,
    Who half the time were soppy-stern
    And half at one another's throats.

    Man hands on misery to man.
    It deepens like a coastal shelf.
    Get out as early as you can,
    And don't have any kids yourself.

  15. charityhutchison
    Member

    I guess anything is possible.I just personally think most people aren't born bad.I think circumstances that happen while people are kids shape their lives forever.Who knows what that kid has gone through?Usually the bad things are hidden and not talked about.He may have grown up not feeling loved..idk :( I agree it is really hard raising kids the right way and I think there are a lack of parents that are really putting in that hard work....My mom was a great mom!:)I have a lot to be thankful for and I couldn't imagine life without a parent that really taught me right and loved me.It must be hard.

  16. mssjackie
    Member

    Pattekuce, that person that wrote that I think is one sick individual myself :) I would be more curious to learn more about his life as a child, @ karenjump, harsh but true, but it make you wonder how their parents were brought up too,
    Happypoppeye, the people you are referring to I see as all been brain washed, and yes it can be seen as they are just bad but some are brain washed into thinking what they are doing is right, thus the raising of an innocent child at birth.

    Charity I could not have said it better myself :)

  17. invisiblemikey
    Member

    I don't think it makes any difference whether someone is born bad or became bad from bad parenting, or made bad choices themselves. The only thing that matters is to know that anyone can change, learn and grow, and not remain bad. Even a brain-damaged, criminally insane person can be taught methods that will improve their lives, and there is no person on Earth that does not deserve forgiveness and encouragement. Even if we sometimes must keep a person caged forever for the protection of society, that person still has positive potential. The bad need the help of the good.

  18. momfog
    Member

    @invisiblemikey You have a very optimistic opinion of your fellow man. I agree with some of your thoughts. I do, however, think it's important to know the origin of a person's "badness." Otherwise, how are they to be helped?

    I also agree that all people deserve forgiveness and encouragement but I also believe there are some people who are beyond help.

  19. freddiemaize
    Member

    megumiwasframed, you are perfectly right.. its just that the topic is different :) Is it not about being born that way.. Hey I'm not saying this rude.. Just saying so we can be on the same page and agree upon.. you know..

  20. ankokuhikaru
    Member

    Hmm, to me we are born in the same level of whatever you want to call good an bad. You could say we are born Neutral, is what I'm getting at. Then we grow up and go through things that shape who we become. If the result is good and bad is up to the persons nature, but then again their nature come from the environment which we grew up in. To me I think, what shapes a person is the environment in which they grew, not that they were born, programmed to be such a person.

  21. freddiemaize
    Member

    Okay.. Now let me tell you what I understood from my sister (who is a Occupational therapist - She deals with Autism kids, AFAIK )

    1. Environment and
    2. Generic things

    makes us what we are. No offense but this example is what she gave me, some 4 years back. A kid born in a gutter, if raised in a wealthy family, one day or the other they kid will show a low class act. Reason being, its in their gene. But they don't show the low class act is suppressed so much that their environment did not shape it that way.

    Well, I'm not sure what my Sister's stands are, on this same topic, now..

  22. freddiemaize
    Member

    shape it --> shape them*

    excuse me.. plz..

  23. generation26
    Member

    heres how i see it. to some extend we're all a product of our envionrment. our personality dictates our conscience and our personality is just how we react and cope to situations. all that being said i do think that some traits can be learn or inherited

  24. mssjackie
    Member

    have you ever see some kids even at an early age they are just so out of control :) and the parents cannot control them its like watch that show i think its call the nanny :) i agree with a lot of inputs but also believe its possible to be born with a spirit that is just evil :)

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