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  1. Can someone explain why my old blog address, raincoaster.wordpress.com, had a pagerank of 6 and the new one, which is almost back to the same ranking on Technorati as before the change (and which has gotten some heavy-duty links, like BoingBoing) and which googles even higher than the old one if you test it, has a pagerank of zero?

    PS: putting it in this forum as it is not a WordPress issue, it's a Google issue.

  2. Most people believe that the higher your Google Page Rank, the higher you'll be in the search results listing. Yes pages and or sites with a higher page rank seem to rank better than those sites that do not have a page rank, but don't be fooled the site without a page rank might have a higher ranking but Google has not updated its page rank on the tool bar, Google usually updates 4 times a year. The only thought on most peoples minds if they own a website is how do increase traffic and how do I get a higher page rank. by David Fishman

    http://internet-offline.blogspot.com/2007/01/webmasters-are-obsessing-over-page-rank.html

    Google PageRank Explained by Google Staff
    PageRank relies on the uniquely democratic nature of the web by using its vast link structure as an indicator of an individual page's value. In essence, Google interprets a link from page A to page B as a vote, by page A, for page B. But, Google looks at more than the sheer volume of votes, or links a page receives; it also analyzes the page that casts the vote. Votes cast by pages that are themselves "important" weigh more heavily and help to make other pages "important."

    Important, high-quality sites receive a higher PageRank, which Google remembers each time it conducts a search. Of course, important pages mean nothing to you if they don't match your query. So, Google combines PageRank with sophisticated text-matching techniques to find pages that are both important and relevant to your search. Google goes far beyond the number of times a term appears on a page and examines all aspects of the page's content (and the content of the pages linking to it) to determine if it's a good match for your query.

    http://www.google.com/technology/

    See also:
    Update: A few people were seeing PageRank 0 for their site. There was a small auxiliary push that needed to happen to complement the PageRank push, and that push happened a few hours ago (i.e. Jan 11, 2007). If you were getting stressed, you might want to re-check now. If you never even noticed, well, good for you. :) http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/infrastructure-status-january-2007/

    SEO page rank
    http://www.seologs.com/pr-check/fullpage-pr.html

  3. Thanks, I have read those and everything in them seems to indicate to me that my page rank should be well above zero. The blog has been at that URL for over a quarter, and I've gotten linked to by far more high-profile sites. I still cannot find the answer to the question, and there's additional weirdness in that my old domain rank has gone down to zero as well, despite doing nearly as well on Technorati and formerly having a PR of 6.

    Any suggestions?

  4. I'm wondering if this might have something to do with it?
    Not all links are counted by Google. For instance, they filter out links from known link farms. Some links can cause a site to be penalized by Google. They rightly figure that webmasters cannot control which sites link to their sites, but they can control which sites they link out to. For this reason, links into a site cannot harm the site, but links from a site can be harmful if they link to penalized sites. So be careful which sites you link to. If a site has PR0, it is usually a penalty, and it would be unwise to link to it...
    Whilst I thoroughly recommend creating and adding new pages to increase a site's total PageRank so that it can be channeled to specific pages, there are certain types of pages that should not be added. These are pages that are all identical or very nearly identical and are known as cookie-cutters. Google considers them to be spam and they can trigger an alarm that causes the pages, and possibly the entire site, to be penalized.

    Is it possible I've been spam-listed, possibly because of the two URLs still being live and pinging? How would one check that?

  5. Did your new domain every have a PR assigned to it?

    Google just did another reload and there appears to be issues with it. I've got a number of sites, including my own, who now have PR0's. Donncha's own site dropped from a 7 to a 5. He talks about it here.

  6. My new domain has never had a PR anything but Zero that I have seen. It was that way on October 12 when I checked, and it's exactly the same now. It should register as something by now; in fact, it should be doing better than the old one, because of the heavy-duty sites that I got linked from lately.

    And I'm doing phenominally well on Google itself. The actual searches turn my blog up on the front page or even top three quite often. I outrank sites that I linked to in my blog posts, even when they're ABC News.

  7. They may have not assigned new PR's this time around. They've done that in the past. I know it took a couple of updated to get tdjc.be assigned.

    I still see my sites listed in their index. I have no idea what went on this time around. Rather annoying.

  8. Eight months? Well, thanks for the warning. I guess there's no point having a sense of urgency about it.

  9. I think it was more like six months for me.

    Also remembewr that it's been stated that Google keeps an internal PR for sites and displays a snapshot for a public PR. If you're being listed in searches, you have a PR. It's just that Google hasn't made a public release of it.

  10. What do I have to do to make them put out for me? (not the first or, I'm sure, the last time I will ask that question)

  11. I had a massive drop in traffic yesterday. Overnight I went from ~1000 hits/day to less than 300. The search traffic is now at a trickle.

    I conclude that some PageRank change has happened within the past 48 hours. My site is still in the index, but barely anything comes up in a Google search for the old "common hits". I'm not aware of having done anything "naughty".

    Shame that I can't go through the verification steps for the Google Webmaster Tools, since I can't upload a static HTML file or alter the META tags :-(

  12. andypiper, did you buy a domain name? Because getting that makes you start over from the beginning. That's why I don't buy one because I may not have the traffic but I have the pagerank over any other entertainment site for some unknown reason.

    Edit: Just checked Perez Hilton and we have the same now. Damn!

  13. Sounds like it's the Google Sandbox.

    http://www.seomoz.org/articles/google-sandbox-analysis.php

  14. Thanks for that, engtech. Insofar as I could follow what they were saying, it does appear that I at least fall into that group. At least this bit is heartening:

    The sandbox has also been observed to typically release sites into "normal" rankings en masse, which is to say that there have been virtually no examples of a single site "escaping" by itself. It appears that certain updates in Google's search engine release many sites all at once. Speculation about this centers around Google wishing to avoid the appearance of manually reviewing sites one by one, although other reasons have been proposed as well.

    Although this advice is scary:

    One of the most common elements suspected for sandboxing completely"natural" sites is their addition to blogrolls. These links are sitewides on URLs that frequently have many thousands of pages in Google's index and it appears on the surface that they can cause the link problems that lead to sandboxing. The best way to avoid this is to watch your logs for referring URLs and request to be removed from any blogrolls that are sent to you. With some luck, the sympathetic blogger will understand and remove you. It seems ridiculous to have to go to these extents to avoid sandboxing, but in the commercial reality of the web, it may, in fact, help you in both the short and long run. Naturally, if you aren't running a blog on your site, it's much easier to "stay off the rolls", but you also miss inclusion in great blog directories and traffic sources that can earn you high quality links (i.e. Technorati, Blogwise, etc).

  15. And POOF! Just like that I'm at PR 5! Thank you all for your patience. I will now go back to whining about stats...

  16. Must be nice. :(

    If anyone is interested, they can do a PR lookup with a long list of Google servers here.

    edit: Oh, lookie. I've got a 6. :)

    A warm thought as I walk home in 30 degree weather.

  17. What does "Google Backlinks" mean on that? Mine is zero.

    See, they must have done something in the last 12 hours. When in doubt, complain in the forum; the single most effective technique I've ever found for solving problems.

    Now, about my love life...

  18. Now, about my love life...

    Mine's worse. Don't get me started.

    wp.com and wp.org have 9's. Must be nice.

  19. nosysnoop: yes, I recently got WP looking after my domain, although currently it is redirecting andypiper.co.uk onto andypiper.wp.com and not the other way around. Also I did previously own that domain, but the redirect was handled by the UK2.net servers instead of WP.com - not sure why this would suddenly cause this change.

    Secondly, a search on my name on google.com doesn't cause my blog to show up, but on google.co.uk it is the #1 hit (which it was on .com until Tuesday night). According to that PR tool that drmike mentions, I'm at PR6 - just not showing up in any searches for any of the strings that was bringing in ~300-400 hits per day prior to Tuesday.

  20. hey, I'm up to PR 6 now too.

  21. andypiper, did you enter your url to Google? Because after 10 months, your blog should be there.

  22. Yes, of course. I've had loads of search traffic in the past 10 months. It has just suddenly changed :-(

  23. UGH! My pagerank dropped. :( That's a total of two points lower than my highest ever. Why did I drop??

  24. That's the downside to removing your link from under your name.

    Hmm, 8 to 6.

  25. I wonder what would happen if all of us here with Google PR6 were linking blogrolling each other?

    Maybe a PR6 club backlink widget ... ;-)

    Not really ... no one would do that, would they?

    Let's see .. is this address taken?

    http://pr6pluscabal.wordpress.com/

  26. I had a PR7 wordpress.com blog drop to PR4 this time around. I also had a couple of PR2 and PR3 and PR4's go up to 5's and 6's.

  27. If you guys have the Technorati Blogworth calculator, it's worth running your blog through it again. The Google reorg seems to have shaken loose some imaginary dollars.

  28. Rain, must not be for you though since you're listed number one for a search for it. ;)

    Link just for reference in case anyone wants to take a looksee.

  29. That is hilarious! No wonder it gave me an extra forty thou...I outrank the site itself!

    WordPress has some powerful googlejuice, I am telling you.

  30. Which reminds me, if anyone comes across a completely empty blog in their travels that has the original post from eons ago, I'd love to see it. I want to see something. I want to see if Google gives a starting PR around here.

    Thanks,
    -drmike

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