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Is Domain Mapping better for SEO ?

  1. mitaroygoahotel
    Member

    Hi

    I have been using the free WordPress.com for quite a while now and I would like to contribute something back to WordPress by purchasing a .com Domain and mapping it to my http://mitaroygoahotel.wordpress.com blog.

    Is http://www.mitaroygoahotel.com better for SEO than mitaroygoahotel.wordpress.com ?

    Or will the Domain change only be for cosmetic value (i.e. looks more professional) ?

    Cheers in advance !

    Mihir Nayak

    The blog I need help with is mitaroygoahotel.wordpress.com.

  2. No, it is significantly worse. URLs on a huge domain like Whatever.Wordpress.com always outpull URLs on unique and tiny domains like Whatever.com, Sad but true; there are, however, many other reasons to get a unique domain name, and they can override this negative effect.

  3. mitaroygoahotel
    Member

    Hey guys, thanks a lot for your replies.

    Great Point ! I totally agree @timethief "A domain name tends to give your website an aura of respectability. Your customers will feel more comfortable buying whatever it is that you are selling if you have your own domain name because it makes your customers feel that they are dealing with a large, established company, rather than with some fly by night operator"

    @timethief says "If your blog is a subdomain under a free hosting website, it’s hard take your page ranking to the top"

    @raincoaster says "URLs on a huge domain like Whatever.Wordpress.com always outpull URLs on unique and tiny domains like Whatever.com, Sad but true"

    So who is right, @timethief or @raincoaster ??? Can you both agree on one viewpoint ???

    Cheers
    Mihir

  4. I don't see any direct contradiction between tt and rc's replies. Each of them knows well the arguments for yours.com, and the arguments for yours.wordpress.com.

    If SEO is all you're interested in, then yours.wordpress.com is almost certainly better for you. Exception: you're going to be the next google. If that's the case, then grab nextgoogle.com (oops, too late), send a gift of stock to those of us who gave you advice, and make us all rich.

  5. @mymitaroy
    I believe Staff here do an excellent job of the SEO that applies to the whole site. This is what raincoaster is referring to. Well, that PageRank belongs to the domain. It does not belong to the blogs on subdomains.

    I know for a fact that both the on page and off page SEO efforts each blogger undertakes on a subdomain here at wordpress.com uses here can improve their inndividual blog's PageRank.

    There are many factors that go into PageRanking. And, I know for a fact that if and only if a blogger is SEO savvy to all those factors they can achieve a higher PageRank on their own hosted own domain than they can achieve by remaining on a sub-domain. However, the vaerage blogger on a sub-dmain is not necessarily SEO savvy at all.

    Frankly I believe purchasing your own domain , becoming SEO savvy and applying both on page and off-page SEO while being free hosted by wordpress.com is the best of both world's scenario for most bloggers.

    Lastly, I don't believe that there will be many, if any, blogs bearing the .wordpress.com subdomain URL that will achieve a higher PageRank than the PageRank that the whole wordpress.com domain has. Do you?

  6. mitaroygoahotel
    Member

    @timethief @andrew

    Thanks for both ur replies.

    I guess a blog with a purchased domain hosted on wordpress.com is the way to go.

    Cheers
    Mihir

  7. This morning I published a guest post on my blog that directly relates to this issue. It's a personal account by a regular reader of mine. > Why I switched from Godaddy (WordPress.org) to WordPress.com
    http://onecoolsitebloggingtips.com/2010/04/20/why-i-switched-from-godaddy-wordpress-org-to-wordpress-com/

  8. Uh, no, that is NOT what I meant at all.

    In pure SEO terms, Whatever.wordpress.com will ALWAYS outrank Whatever.com, all other factors like content and theme and so on being equal. Timethief, I believe you're simply incorrect on that point. Subdomains of WordPress.com have more power than WordPress.com blogs on their own domains; you should know this, since you've lived it repeatedly.

    I have discussed this with a professional and well-respected SEO specialist and he cleared up many illusions I had about unique domain names.

    If you want to be the top blog on a domain, then whatever.wordpress.com isn't a good idea: whatever.com IS, because you'll be the ONLY blog on that domain. But that's not SEO, is it? It's semantics.

  9. @raincoaster
    Re: more power
    I don't really think we have a difference of opinion on this -it's just semantics, as you have said. Also you are more articulate than I am. lol :D

    Yes, blogs being free hosted by wordpress.com do get more traffic from the wordpress.com global tag pages. That's why I said that IMO (and based on my own experience) the best of both world's scenario is to get your own domain and have it free hosted by wordpress.com so you can benefit from that traffic. But it doesn't stop there you can also improve your on page and off page SEO on the blog on your domain being free hosted by wordpress.com and attract even more traffic from beyond the wordpress.com community.

    The primary motivator that appears to drive most wordpress.com free hosted bloggers to purchasing a domain and hiring a web host and installing wordpress.org software is the ability to post advertising and make a minuscule amount of income from readers who will click and purchase. The secondary motivator appears to be tital control over their templates and blogs. This includes the ability to use FTP uploading for installing themes and plugins as well as using codes that we cannot use on wordpress.com blogs, and the ability to edit templates.

    Extracted from comment on the most recent post on my blog which I liked to above.

    In my own case, when I purchased a domain and domain mapping and moved my personal blog content into a wordpress.org install my blog lost a significant amount of traffic it had been receiving from the wordpress.com community. It has never recovered from that loss even though I worked very hard during the first year to promote my blog throughout social networks. In fact, I’m so discouraged by the loss of readers that I may choose to move my domain back to being free hosted by wordpress.com. Then I will stand to attract more traffic, and I will save myself $50. every year that I have been spending on web hosting.

  10. But wait: this is over and above the WP.com global tag pages effect. I'm talking about two identical blogs, both hosted here, one with a custom domain and one without.

    The one without will have more SEO.

  11. Good discussion...

    I see that the OP title is about "better for SEO." But that's only one aspect of "better."

    I also see that raincoaster, timetheif, and I agree that it's better to have your own domain:

    * i.e. a web address that doesn't include wordpress.com

    * e.g., raincoaster.com, onecoolsitebloggingtips.com, changingway.org

  12. Agreed.

  13. Agreed ***boo hoo** I want all this discussion in comment boxes on my blog. :(

    Off_topic but somewhat related
    Another point that many bloggers simply don't get is that when one registers their blog in a web directory with a higher PageRank than their own blog has, and when they publish the web directory will outrank their blog under tags and or categories so the web directory entry for their post, will appear higher up in the SERPs than their post will appear.

    I see blogs with rows of web directory links that bloggers think are a backlink worth for example 6. Well if your blog does NOT rank in the web directory at the very top of the various categories and tags pages that it's displayed in within the directory then that PR6 backlink is diminished.

    The further down the page your blog appears on any web directory page under any category or tag and the further back it appears in the pages 2, 3, 4, etc. results in a baclink that's not worth the PR6 that bloggers think it is. Worse still the bloggers are required to pace a backlink to the web directory on their front page. On a blog that display sidebars on every page in the blog, every time that blog loadsa page all the web directories you have placed badges for in your sidebars are getting a hit.

  14. Subdomains generally get lower scores. But then again, nobody here (that I know of) created the Google algorithm so it's mostly guesswork.

  15. trinovantes is incorrect: see the rest of the thread for details.

  16. mitaroygoahotel
    Member

    Ok, now I really feel like crying.

    After I posted my reply, I thought that the discussion was over.

    Now, just before I went to register my domain, I check here again and I am as confused as ever.

    Just to check,

    do both @raincoaster and @timethief agree that I should purchase the domain mitaroygoahotel.com and map it to my current blog for better seo ?

    Cheers

    Mihhir Nayak

  17. Yes. As soon as possible, in fact.

    Your original question was ONLY about the SEO ramifications. But you don't have any SEO to speak of at the moment, so you won't lose much by the change. And there are tons of reasons to make the change.

  18. mitaroygoahotel
    Member

    Thanks @raincoaster. Appreciate the advice.

  19. You're welcome. At least you know it was an intriguing question, with this much discussion! Now you're an expert on the subject.

  20. mitaroygoahotel
    Member

    Lol !!!

  21. Aaargh! My head's spinning from all the above. A further question (with apologies if it's already been answered but I've arrived late to this discussion):

    I've got a web site called dnalanguage.com and a blog called wordstogoodeffect.wordpress.com. I own the wordstogoodeffect.com and -.co.uk domains.

    I want to stick with wordpress.com, not .org.

    Both the web site and blog are relatively new so changing blog name won't involve any great loss in traffic or ranking. In terms of a) building brand and reputation and b) SEO, what's my best course of action?

    Any advice much appreciated.

  22. It depends what you want to connect. If you want to connect your existing website to your blog here, then contact your web host and do whatever they tell you to connect wordstogoodeffect.com and -.co.uk with your site. Then you can map the subdomain blog.wordstogoodeffect.com to your WordPress.com blog.

    Does that make sense? You'd need the paid domain mapping upgrade here, and before you do it, you'd need to attach the "base" domain to your existing site.

  23. A, the above reply answers a).

    As for b) honestly, if SEO is your #1 concern, dump the website and just use WordPress.com with wordstogoodeffect.wordpress.com and make that your ONLY site. There are many reasons you might not want to do that, though, depending on the kind of plans you have in mind of the site: you can't use plugins, javascript, flash, embedded forms or codes or iFrames. If you're just going to be putting up text and images, and SEO is your absolute primary concern, you probably don't need an external website at all.

  24. Thanks, Raincoaster. SEO isn't no. 1 concern - we're a niche business & more interested in building brand. I'm still working on the site so will keep your comments in mind - all input v. useful!

  25. @wordstogoodeffect
    It's my experience that most good writers are employing some basic SEO elements, without even know they are doing so. It's also my advice that one can learn basic white hat SEO very easily so be careful not to get sucked into using any gray or black hat techniques. Both Google and Bing provide excellent basic SEO for webmasters guides and many free resources are readily available online.

    I also have a "SEO Tips" section my Popular Posts page that you can click log titles in and learn free of charge.
    http://onecoolsitebloggingtips.com/2009/08/04/basic-seo-elements-for-bloggers/
    http://onecoolsite.wordpress.com/2009/11/10/blogging-learning-seo-is-worth-the-effort/

  26. Thanks for the tips, Timethief. I agree with you that good writing (along with attention to usability & accessibility) should all aid SEO. I'll check out your links. I've got One Cool Site listed in my favourite resource list, BTW!

  27. I've been using basic SEO efforts to get OXCGN up there over the last few years, and it hasn't risen a great deal until I renamed the site and purchased a private domain 'name' - oxcgn.com. When I check in say Alexa, to see where traffic comes from, both my original xboxoz360.wordpress.com and oxcgn.com now get roughly the same amount of back links from previous articles and searches etc now.

    SEO is more than simply having a good domain name, and oxcgn has managed to have a 6/10 at one stage, and then we've settled at a happy 4/10 for the time being, and a decent site ranking as well.

    Which is different to Page Rank of course. I'm sure Raincoaster and timethief can fill ppl in more about that than I could right now, as they are far more affluent on that than I am rightnow.

    Suffice to say, you need to make sure of a great many things to ensure google and the 3 other main search engines see you out there in the WWW. Namely MSN, DMOZ, Yahoo and of course Google.

    Head over to Amazon and do a search for Idiot Books on SEO, or Web Site promotions, Web Site management, or Web blogs etc. There's plenty there at low cost that you could get, then digest slowly in the real world to help you get a better grasp of what SEO is all about.

    One good book is Web Marketing All-In-One for Dummies. It contains 8 books in one. And while it is aimed at semi commercial sites, it also covers blogs and the info pertains to ANY site, be it commercial or not.

    Google constantly changes its algorithms, and does so in no fixed pattern so as to avert spammers finding a pattern or loophole easily. One of it's latest fixes is it's now ranking sites by loading times. So site with huge amounts of videos or large image files on their landing page will take longer to load, which in turn has Google notice that, and that time factor effectively goes against that page.

    So its best to have those images and vid on secondary (sister pages) etc or not on the main landing page at least.

    Another thing is getting your site out there hands-on style. Submitting each and every article you publish to various news or information 'portals'

    With every article or game review, write up, news item etc oxcgn publishes, I submit it to at least 13 other sites that then get seen and noticed by readers looking for specific news on that game or news item. I published 3 articles today, so that 39 submissions to various sites, not including the ones that get pinged automatically by WordPress.com's backend

    That has the effect of getting your name (url) and your articles out there in a real-world hands-on approach. WordPress.com does a great job of pinging every post you make, but you can help it along by doing some of the leg work yourself as well as having WP.com do their thing.

    I'm certainly no expert, but I have managed to get oxcgn out there, many of our pages are now seen in Wiki for specific games titles, one of which is ranked in the top 10 - 20 search results for that game. But that took lots of work to get it there.

    There is no 'magic button' or plugin that can get you seen. It does require work on your part. And getting a domain name and having it mapped is certainly a step in the right direct - as raincoaster stated so clearly.

    Plus, when you think about it, if I was telling someone to go to my gaming website to check so-n-so game review out (and this used to happen a lot by the way) would they have difficulty in remembering "well just go to xboxoz360.wordpress.com and you'll find us" . . or . . . "well just go to oxcgn (pronounced oxygen btw) and you'll find us there". (OXCGN = Ozzie Xbox Community Gamers Network).

    The later one obviously works a treat, as it was easy to remember, was catchy, ppl 'got it' straight away. etc. Yet for some time I just stuck my heels in and stayed with the xboxoz360.wordpress.com name, ppl simply didn't come, not because it was bad, but heck, they couldn't remember the url. Now they can.

    Think the old KISS method when it comes to names (keep it simple silly) and you'll have ppl remembering the name more and more.

    Get that domain name now, and any other that looks like it. It might cost you a few dollars for the extra names, but it stops someone else from nabbing it, and perhaps draining mis-spelt urls from your actual domain.

    Stay with the wordpress.com hosting by all means. as it certainly pays off in the long term. OXCGN has more than 300 vids on the site, and we often get in excess of 200 gig of bandwidth use per month in a busy month just on vids, less in an off month of course. But if you had to pay for that on a private server, you'd come to realize just how valuable WordPress.com really is. I have - that's for sure.

    Grab the domain name, stick with wordpress.com and you'll be a happy little camper . . that's for sure.

  28. Please, PLEASE don't use Alexa as a benchmark; their accuracy depends on the number of people using them, and that number has been in steep decline for some time. Quantcast is better.

    But you've got a lot of good advice in that post, thanks.

  29. Yes, thanks for that mate, I just use them as part of the 'overall scheme of things' . . . . and I will check out the other you mentioned. Many thanks.

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