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  1. @tltcl The US has something like 250 million more people than the UK and more urban areas where gun crime is highest. More people to shoot and be shot. :-)

    Also, the people over here killing each other are doing it with illegal guns. Not a whole lot of law-abiding citizens taking to the streets and having Texas style shoot-outs. I've had a gun for years and I've never shot anyone. And I'm a hot-head. So, you know, that's saying something

  2. 62 million in the UK, 313 million in the US, so the US has only 5 times the population, yet more than 100 times the deaths.

    I think that countries with strict gun laws really struggle to understand a culture that considers owning a lethal weapon as normal. It's so alien to us.

    I'd be interested to know how many deaths are attributed to legally owned guns and illegal ones, as you say.

  3. Wow. How did I only just read this!!!

    @jmcartee
    Quote:
    "I just got a job in gun retail. How is gun retail? Anything I should know, tips or anything?"

    Firstly, congrats on the new job.
    Second, to answer your questions, gun retail is a number of things.

    1. in the US people are buying guns like crazy right now because of the upcoming elections. If Obama retains office, he's looking to outlaw gun purchase all together if I'm correct, or at least tighten the reigns on laws even further (which are too strict already in my honest opinion)
    2. Selling guns is an easier task than one would think. Most people come in already having done research on the types of guns they would like. It's your job to hone in on a price range, a caliber, and what that weapon will be used for, ie: hunting, home protection etc...
    3. tips would be to always be attentive to your customer's needs, make sure you stay familiar with the weapons because you want to be able to tell the customer details about the weapons. If you already have a strong gun knowledge then it still never hurts to keep up on current gun events and laws and merchandise. Also know your holsters, and what they fit. You want to get your customer everything they need for their new weapon. This also includes ammo types. I'm assuming you do have some gun knowledge, but I'm going to say this anyways... know the difference between full metal jacket ammunition and hollow point, what kind of ammo is more corrosive, what kind of home defense rounds will be more effective (also for those customers with children, make sure you know about the ammo that won't penetrate walls and only the perpetrator in the case of a break-in etc)

    What's most important is that you do everything the right way at your local FFL dealers business, because one mess up can look bad on your company and can get you into trouble with the government. You MUST dot your i's and cross your t's in this line of work.

    Also, learn fast. If you want to sell successfully, then retain that knowledge, read mags like rifleman, and check out NRA stuff.

    I'm no gun guru, but I worked with a few and their knowledge was invaluable and really helped me sell the right gun to the right customer.
    :) Hope that helped.

  4. and for everyone arguing about the necessity of guns, let me put it this way...

    People can't protect themselves against criminals who would harm them if they don't have the means to fight for their personal freedom. A criminal will not follow the law, they will do anything to break it, they will steal, they will lie, they will kill to get what they want. Gun toting, card carrying Americans aren't the issue, gangs and criminals who often promote violence and who thrive on the helplessness of others are the issue. Unfortunately until all of those criminals don't exist anymore, we need to be able to protect ourselves. Also, we need to be able to SAFELY and ACCURATELY use these weapons otherwise they can be turned on us, or used on other people. This is not and will never be a black and white issue, we have a lot of violence in the United States, and several people, myself included, refuse to be a victim of someone else's choices. That is why I carry.... to protect myself and to protect others from those who would do us harm or impede on our freedom to live. I choose to train with my weapons, so that I can accurately use them when the situation arises. Situational awareness is key in prevention of crime, but sometimes being aware isn't enough.

    Just my 3 or 4 cents

  5. Well said. Thanks for the advice!

    The people who don't see the need for guns for self defense are in denial about how dangerous the world is. And most people who don't like guns, are highly uneducated about them, for example, most of the forumers here.

  6. No don't knock the people here, they may not agree with carrying weapons, but that's their right and that doesn't make them less intelligent. It's a choice, and honestly a lifestyle change if you carry all the time. Not everyone is comfortable with it and I can respect that. You should too. I don't agree that people should be forcing the view that we should abolish legal gun ownership on us, but that does not mean a person is unintelligent, just that maybe the circumstances surrounding those thoughts are because guns are associated with violence and that scares people. No one likes to feel threatened. Anywho, I enjoy respect on the forums and I expect it, we can all have a debate but name calling isn't going to solve any problems nor compel others to our side, ya know what I mean? Good luck in your new job, I'm sure you'll do just fine. Remember what I told you, and if you can, make friends with someone who is knowledgeable on guns, their manufacturers track records etc. Learn everything you can, that way you can give pertinent and CORRECT info to your customers... (which will certainly make you look good to your employers by the way) :D

  7. Its fine that they dont agree with me, but they say stupid stuff about them that's not true.

    idk, Im just very burnt out from these forums. I used to be nicer, but most people that post here are stuck up snobs and people that think they're bigger/badder than everyone else.

  8. idk, Im just very burnt out from these forums. I used to be nicer, but most people that post here are stuck up snobs and people that think they're bigger/badder than everyone else.

    Grow up for goodness sake. Stuck up snobs indeed. You sound like a character from an Enid Blyton school story. It is a fact of life that people don't always agree with you on certain issues; but it does NOT make them intelectually inferior in any way.
    And you're burnt out from the forums? There's a very good cure for that.

  9. Oh and it's the so called "stuck up snobs" in England who you will find out on the grouse moors come August 12th shooting poor bloody birds. Or stalking in Scotland shooting beautiful stags. Brave people.

  10. You're a fifty+ blogger arguing with an 18 year old, and you tell me to grow up?

    lol.

  11. What's age got to do with it? Ones opinions are valid whatever ones age. Or are you saying yours are not because you're only eighteen? Anyway, I'm thoroughly bored with this now. That's my last word on the subject.

  12. Ah, the old "resort to insulting someone's age" internet argument tactic. Nice. Nice. XD

    P.S The people here aren't snobs, they're just not fun to troll because they take things too seriously.

  13. Actually, most gun deaths in the US come from registered guns, just as most murders are committed by family members.

  14. Ah, the old "resort to insulting someone's age" internet argument tactic. Nice. Nice. XD

    P.S The people here aren't snobs, they're just not fun to troll because they take things too seriously.

    I used that because you would figure being older and thus wiser, that they wouldnt flip out and argue with someone as young as I. I stated my opinions, and he stated his, while bashing mine and saying things that were not true. But thats ok, everyone sides with the forumers who are constantly on here.

    And yes, they take things very seriously.

  15. Actually, most gun deaths in the US come from registered guns, just as most murders are committed by family members.

    That's interesting. Do you have a source for that? I would like to have a read (genuinely!).

    And yes, they take things very seriously.

    How can a debate on gun ownership be anything other than serious? Not exactly a lighthearted topic, considering the implications.

  16. I'm glad we have guns. I just hate that we have people.

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