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  1. Thanks. No, in the Drafts list. And I find it insane to have 85 drafts listed for the same post.

  2. Also in the new setup, my square avatar is superimposed on a circular background in a really clumsy way. There's an amateur hour note creeping in here which alarms me.

  3. You mentioned TypePad as a possible good alternative to WordPress, David - but it's not free. They seem to have a 14-day free trial, but then you have to fork out between 10 and 30 USD a month, which would put it out of many people's reach (certainly out of mine).

    I'm with you, though, on the Quick New Post issue on the WP homepage: I've never used it, because of all the reasons that have already been mentioned here.

    I spend a lot of time crafting my posts and inserting photographs, hyperlinks, etc., and I like to have everything on my Dashboard available to me.

    I love the New Post option in my Dashboard, with its html tab (so useful for fixing up formatting issues etc.), and its spacious window... and the feeling that I am working in my own space, rather than on someone else's site (yes, I realise that is actually an illusion...)

    Are you all really thinking that we may be losing the New Post option on our Dashboard, and that we'll end up with only the Quick New Post option on the WordPress homepage? That would be dreadful. Why would they do that, though? What's their agenda?

  4. Well, Raincoaster predicted the end of the Dashboard, and there is an unnerving sense that WP may be moving to become an enhanced Twitter. Serious blogs will then migrate. It may not happen ... but WP are too arrogant or disorganised (sorry, but it is either one or the other) to make an announcement.

    TypePad is good and extremely customisable, but you are right, there is a cost. I'm not really up to speed on the others, but the Google platforms are awful.

    WP is by far the best. Let's hope it stays that way.

  5. Perhaps all us bloggers who are getting increasingly disgruntled with these new changes should form a support and advice group along the lines of: "Leaving WordPress.com? Where to from here?"

    It sounds like a lot of people are seriously investigating other free blogging platforms, and it would be helpful to pool all that knowledge. I'm not clued-up on other options, ... yet... I really don't want to leave, because I like it here, and the sense of community has been wonderful. It's felt like a home.

    But if their ultimate plan is to remove our Dashboard entirely and to run everything via the WP homepage, it makes me really unhappy.

    An increasingly common remark that keeps popping up on the forums in recent weeks is that bloggers are uncomfortable and upset that WordPress aren't telling us upfront what their agenda is, or why these seemingly random changes are being made, taking away functionality, un-streamlining our work flow, unilaterally changing settings...

    It's such a sneaky, secretive and manipulative way of doing things that seems totally at odds with the openness and enthusiasm I've experienced here when I first arrived. I don't understand it, and I find it disappointing, even verging on the sinister.

    And throughout, the WordPress support staff have been surprisingly silent. What is going on there?

  6. I've just had a look at the new "New Post" user interface. It is TERRIBLE. Where is the HTML view for a start, wheich we need to work around the other bugs relating to writing posts (the image insertion is still not right for example).

    No Categories, so presumably they are also on the way out? If so, what happens to our Custom Menus based on Categories?

    I'll have a better look later in the week, but that is my immediate reaction at a first glance.

    Has Matt sold out and not told anyone yet? That's a possibility.

    If anyone finds a comparable platform, let me know please!

  7. Your point re Matt. Yes. I've already made it.

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    My sense is that Mullenweg has lost interest in this company and just wants to maximise revenue and get out.

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  8. @Namibsands:

    <i>It's such a sneaky, secretive and manipulative way of doing things that seems totally at odds with the openness and enthusiasm I've experienced here when I first arrived. I don't understand it, and I find it disappointing, even verging on the sinister. </i>

    +1

    @teamoyeniyi

    <I>Where is the HTML view for a start,</i>

    +1

  9. All really valid points. The new post format is useless, I truly hope WP has something better in store and this is temporary. However, if going the way of Twitter here on WP is what the creators want ... I too will be looking elsewhere.

    When I first arrived on the WP scene, a year and a half ago, the forums were filled with the "Happiness Engineers," They answered all valid questions in a prompt and friendly manner. Now we are left in the dark, wondering ... why?

  10. jasonkundalini
    Member

    To whose attention could we draw this thread if we wanted at least some sort of answer?

  11. @laavventura - yes, I also wonder about this 'being left in the dark' business.

    I found some interesting comment-rich articles that raise some questions on what might be happening behind the scenes:

    * http://www.wptavern.com/when-will-automattic-be-acquired (27 Sept 2011)

    * http://www.itproportal.com/2011/09/22/opinion-when-will-microsoft-buy-automattic-wordpress/ (22 Sept 2011)

    * http://wpmu.org/so-when-exactly-are-microsoft-going-to-buy-automattic/ (28 Sept 2010)

    * http://www.wptavern.com/automattic-almost-acquired-at-one-point (31 Mar 2009)

  12. gaudetetheology
    Member

    Jumping in to add how important the html tab is for me. I think I've used the visual editor... uh... 4 times? when I couldn't quite figure out how to align things the way I wanted in html.

    The great thing about the current posting interface with its two tabs is that it has both a novice (visual) and an expert (html) interface. This is fabulous! That's one of the criteria by which I assess software products and the targets which I aim for, but rarely achieve, when writing my own. It's so much faster for me to precisely control my text, links, & so on by just typing the html markup, than by clicking through the various options.

    And visual editors are one of those things that are almost impossible to use over a slow connection.. especially for fast typist.

    The right-hand menu with the publish, format, category, and tag options is also invaluable.

  13. jasonkundalini
    Member

    @gaudetetheology all true. The people who designed this also knew how good it was and they knew we liked it. I haven't seen one argument that says the new posting page is an improvement. They must know it isn't. If in its current form it became the only option, that would be a sign that sophisticated users were no longer welcome.

  14. jasonkundalini
    Member

    I emailed Matt Mullenweg, here is the response:

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    > I don't know if you'll listen/care, but the new stats page and post entry
    system on WP are causing a lot of people grave concern and there may be some
    sort of exodus. Here's a couple of threads:

    Thanks, I've been following both.

    > People are upset that this is being done without any warning and that the
    changes are such a backward step in terms of functionality. If the users count
    at all to you or to the WordPress organisation, I really hope someone can make
    clear what is happening and why.

    When we're done there will be more than a month of warning! That's what
    started the whole thread. We do think the change will ultimately be for
    the better, but don't want to surprise anyone which is why we've been
    trying to warn people ahead of time.

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    I did ask in my mail for an explantion of =why= this is happening, but it wasn't addressed.

  15. jasonkundalini
    Member

    My response, direct from reply button:

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    Thanks for the reply... I'm still mystified. It's the question why and how this change is for the better that puzzles most people. You didn't reply to the point about it being a "backward step in terms of functionality". You surely see that it is? If so how can it be "for the better"?

    Regards

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  16. We do not have to use "Quick Press" on the WordPress.com home page to create a new post. It's for quick posts ie. "asides". When our dashboards were updated and flyout menus were introduced we gained the ability to be able to click and add a new post from any page in our blog using the editor and all the features in it. That ability still exists today and there has been no notice to the effect of it being removed.

  17. tt - this message has been on my stats page for a couple of days "Starting soon, your stats page will be on the WordPress.com homepage only."

    Doesn't bother me overmuch as long as it's accessible, but clicking through brings up the advertised stats page, plus a New Post link. Clicking that brings up a New Post page which is seriously toytown and,so far, at least, dysfunctional.

    If this is what the future holds, I don't want to play.

  18. jasonkundalini
    Member

    @ronsrealm +1

    @timethief,

    From stats you now can't get to the proper HTML editor, you have to go back to the dashboard right?

    So 'any page in our blog' leads to the proper editor -- but the stats page is no longer 'in our blog'.

    This whole thread has been about the Mickey Mouse post editor you get from the WP.com stats page and people are worried it'll be the only one available at some point.

    So whatever changes are lined up, the full editor will =always= be available?

  19. jasonkundalini
    Member

    Further Mullenweg reply:

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    We've never made any change we didn't think would ultimately for the better. We would never deliberately make the service worse, though sometimes changes might be uncomfortable at first if you're used to an old way of doing things.

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    I asked about the HTML editor.

  20. Verbatim, from the new "new post" page:

    Blogs are not just for long posts. Why not post a photo or video instead?

    Why not? Because I'm a writer.

    My suspicion and my hope is that this "new post" format is meant to be an addition rather than a substitution. If not, the fussing over infinite scroll and the stats move is going to be less than a whisper compared to the coming uproar.

    It may be that the law of unintended consequences is in effect, and people are assuming that, since stats have been moved, all posting capability is being moved as well.

    Dear WordPress: A word of clarification might be in order.

  21. jasonkundalini
    Member

    @shoreacres here's the clarification you are after from Matt Mullenweg:

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    You seem to think that the homepage posting is the only way you can
    post? Your entire wp-admin dashboard is still there and you can use it
    to post if you prefer, the only thing we're moving out is stats.

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    There you have it.

    I'm relieved and I think there's nothing more to say on this. Worth raising perhaps since things have been changed suddenly before, but a false alarm.

  22. @nnonnth
    Thank you because what you just posted confirms what I said above. When we hover over our vatart/gravatar on the top right hand corner of our Admin bar no matter where we are we can click the "New Post" link. When we do that we get the full editor with all the features and we can create a post just as we aleays have done. We do not arrive on the front page of WordPress.com. We are not compelled to use "Quick Post". http://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic/new-posting-window-and-autosaves/page/2?replies=50#post-822667

  23. jasonkundalini
    Member

    @timethief -- Ah thanks. I never knew I =could= get to the post editor in one click by that route, so I didn't know that was what you meant.

    Apart from minor disappointments with the new stats page itself, I have nothing more. This "storm" is officially teacup-conformable.

  24. Hi again,
    I'm gald what I posted helped you. I have been using that link to create posts ever since it was introduced.

  25. Hi TT - I'm amazed - I would have thought that new "New Posts" page on the WP home page would have been a disaster for you to create posts in. The link on the right menu on the Dashboard is OK, I use that sometimes, but the new page is awful.

    @nnonnth - THAT is good news - I take it we can now consider this case ended! :))

    Your entire wp-admin dashboard is still there and you can use it
    to post if you prefer, the only thing we're moving out is stats.

    @namibsands - very interesting.

  26. jasonkundalini
    Member

    Good news indeed...

    But you're now confused though in the way I was previously confused re timethief! She is =not= referring to the "New Post" page. As she said, she's talking about what drops down if you hover over your gravatar at top right of screen =anywhere= on wordpress, even at WP.com/new stats page. A menu drops and you see your blog name(s) at the bottom -- hover on that in turn and you have a 'new post' option there which goes right to the full dashboard post editor.

    This makes things not only hunky but positively dory too. :)

  27. OH, OK - TT is talking about the standard user interface we know and love, not the new horrible one!

    Yes, I was confused. Not difficult with 4 kids yabbering in the background!! LOL

  28. Weighing in way late here but I have always used the "New Post" link, along with everything else, (and yes, Stats) from the gravatar hover, with a limping along, one leg longer than the other feeling but always getting to where I know I want to go. Is this going to change?

  29. We do not have to use Quick Press on the WordPress.com to create a new post.

    • Look at the far right hand side of your Afmin bar. Find your gravatar and hover over it. You will see that you can use the "Add New" link to create a post. When you click that link it results in creating a post in the editor with all the features just as it always has.
    • Go to your Dashboard and on the far left hand side look for the Posts link and hover over it. Once again your can use the "Add New" link to create a post. When you click that link it results in creating a post in the editor with all the features just as it always has.

    Much ado about what?

  30. @teamoyeniyi

    Hi TT - I'm amazed - I would have thought that new "New Posts" page on the WP home page would have been a disaster for you to create posts in. The link on the right menu on the Dashboard is OK, I use that sometimes, but the new page is awful.

    I repeat that the "Quick Post" on the WordPress.com home page is only for "asides' which are defined as are brief snippets of text that aren’t quite whole blog posts. Useful for quick thoughts and anecdotes.

    The interenet and blogophere are full of people who do indeed post nothing but asides in their blogs. Mobile use is about to explode and WordPress.com is aware of that and. Many mobile users have what I consider to be twitter-like toilet paper roll Tumblr style infinte scrolling blogs. I consider them to be potential "Quick Press" users, while clearly you and I are not.

    The bottom line is this: We do not have to use Quick Press on the WordPress.com to create a new post.
    We have the ability to create a new post from whatever page we are on in any of our blogs just as we always have done.

    The sky is not falling!

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