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NY Times Vs Robert Scoble

  1. *lol* YAHOOoooooo! owowOOWWWOOOOooooo ...

  2. >> and you don't post just to take shots at Robert Scoble

    No shot at Robert was intended.

    Sorry if it was taken that way.

    I actually think Robert is a great guy and a wonderful resource.

    Whining, perhaps a bit.

    Back onto the sub-topic of how to tell who is most popular, there is an excellent resource for that.

    Technorati is only based on links from other blogs that are listed in technorati.

    The TLB ecosystem is only based on links from other blogs in the ecosystem to blogs in the ecosystem and only counts links from the front page.

    Alexa is very flawed since it is based only on users of the Alexa toolbar and since Alexa has been tagged by all the major spyware vendors as spyware, it gets worse over time.

    There is actual data available for a price from a company that collects the traffic data from ISPs and provides it for a fee to market research companies and media companies.

    The best free resource is the TLB traffic data since it is based on actual stat counts from sites that participate and use public sitemeter.com statistics to display their stats.

    The problem with that method is that not everyone participates so you only get results for those who are included.

    Robert Scoble's blog is listed as being ranked #2308 on TLB based on links but is not ranked for traffic.

    Below are the top 20 Blogs listed by traffic.

    I have no idea where Robert's traffic is within that range but if he is #39 based on traffic, that would put him at over 100,000 visits per day and just below Glenn Reynolds at Instapundit.

    1) Drew Curtis' FARK.com 1064063 visits/day (65)
    2) Daily Kos: State of the Nation 499153 visits/day (3)
    3) Daily Kos :: Diaries 469220 visits/day (52553)
    4) Overheard in the UK 457291 visits/day (11216)
    5) Gizmodo, The Gadget Guide 408306 visits/day (95)
    6) The Raw Story | A rational voice - Alternative news 355094 visits/day (169)
    7) Gawker, Manhattan Media News and Gossip 249148 visits/day (145)
    8) Defamer, the L.A. Gossip Rag 241765 visits/day (320)
    9) A Socialite's Life 189638 visits/day (989)
    10) ITS ALL ABOUT TOM CRUISE 178901 visits/day (51541)
    11) Pink Is The New Blog | Fingers Firmly On The Pulse 167611 visits/day (798)
    12) Autoblog 141509 visits/day (2232)
    13) lgf: cannot just be sitted idly by by 139603 visits/day (5)
    14) Michelle Malkin 135721 visits/day (2)
    15) Camden Chat :: A Baltimore Orioles Blog 134559 visits/day (8575)
    16) Royals Review :: A Kansas City Royals Blog 134559 visits/day (9486)
    17) South Side Sox :: A Chicago White Sox Blog 134559 visits/day (8583)
    18) Lone Star Ball :: A Texas Rangers Blog 134559 visits/day (7635)
    19) Let's Go Tribe :: 134559 visits/day (7852)
    20) Sactown Royalty :: A Sacramento Kings Blog 134559 visits/day (10249)

  3. PS: these are obviously gaming that TLB system by all using the same sitemeter counter code.

    15) Camden Chat :: A Baltimore Orioles Blog 134559 visits/day (8575)
    16) Royals Review :: A Kansas City Royals Blog 134559 visits/day (9486)
    17) South Side Sox :: A Chicago White Sox Blog 134559 visits/day (8583)
    18) Lone Star Ball :: A Texas Rangers Blog 134559 visits/day (7635)
    19) Let's Go Tribe :: 134559 visits/day (7852)
    20) Sactown Royalty :: A Sacramento Kings Blog 134559 visits/day (10249)

  4. Cut us some slack: Canadians on drugs are virtually unstoppable once we get going.

    Must be why they're so cheap. :)

    One thing that comes to mind is that you can get stats and numbers to say anything that you want.

    I'd love to know where that list came from.

  5. quotes, not to worry; the remark about people taking shots at Scoble is a reference to one or two troublemakers we used to have around, not to you. Your tone is always civil.

    All of the ranking systems have flaws, but among them all I find Google and Technorati to be pretty fair. TLB is interesting, but it's vastly overpopulated by the right wing, so it gives them higher results, as they're more networked within TLB. Very, very few of my links show up there, alas, and it seems a bit glitchy: at one time I was a crunchy crustacean, and now I'm just a microbe. Obvs, this isn't going to be my favorite metric!

    The reason I like Google and Technorati, glitchy and juddering as they are (they seem to update once every six weeks or full moon or whenever the tech has her period, or god knows when) is that they count links to your blog from other people, and that's what ranks you. In other words, someone has thought what you said worthy of referencing, ie they acknowledge your authority in some way. Your post has value to them. Metrics which take that into account, the fact that your post has actually influenced someone to do something, if only to point to it, are irreplaceable measures of our influence in the blogosphere, and that's why I like them.

    Give me one person I've influenced over a hundred I've merely encountered. Pageviews mean virtually nothing to me.

  6. @quotes
    rain has said:

    quotes, not to worry; the remark about people taking shots at Scoble is a reference to one or two troublemakers we used to have around, not to you. Your tone is always civil.

    Exactly. I wasn't even thinking about you at all. And, as far as the rest of what she says goes, I also concur.

    Do you think it's time to flag this thread as "resolved"?

  7. Was there ever a question in this thread? ;)

  8. There's one right there! Happy I could answer so quickly.

  9. Sheesh you beat me to it. But mine came first: Do you think it's time to flag this thread as "resolved"?

  10. >> I'd love to know where that list came from.

    Here is the list sorted by traffic.
    http://truthlaidbear.com/ecotraffic.php

  11. The bugs and defects in Truth Laid Bear's system are well know.

    It is not even due to right wing versus left but due to defects and bugs in the ranking system.

    The ranking by links is completely bogus and should only be used as a rough guideline.

    Ranking by traffic, however, is quite accurate since it is based on the actual sitemeter.com stat counter results.

    The major bug/defect with the traffic ranking on TLB is that it is able to be gamed by some people who use the same sitemeter code on dozens of sites and that results in several dozen of their sites showing up in the same poace in the results witht he exact same traffic numbers. It is pretty obvious ... see numbers 20 to 34 in the current ranks by traffic ... they are all the same code.

  12. I disagree with your take that ranking by traffic is meaningful while ranking by links is not. I've already listed why I favour ranking by links, and while I freely acknowledge that the system can be gamed, so can ranking by hits.

    Any fool can put up a post called "Britney Spears Beaver shots" or "Saddam Hussein's execution video" and get a billion hits, but A) what kind of crowd does that draw, B) what does that mean if not one of them saw fit to refer back to the post or the blog at all? To me, high traffic and low links mean a bait and switch, or that whatever you're featuring is something people want to see voyeuristically but don't want to be caught looking at. Naturally, pornsites boast high pageviews and low linkage.

  13. Porn site are the perfect example - high pageviews and low linkage. But they are not the only example. Consider that blog scrapers create no content of their own and yet get high hit rates. They do it for the advertising income.
    Links are ephemeral but clearly more meaningful than pageviews or "unique visitor counts". Other bloggers may to link your post because they strongly agree or strongly disagree with your point of view. The significance of the link they give is they that chose to respond to your post and to give it (i.e. your point of view) value. When greater numbers of bloggers do the same then blog ranking increases.
    Revolving door traffic stats don't cut it as a basis for any "awarding" or ranking IMO.

  14. I think you can tell from quotes' and my positions on the issue which rating system favours which of us. I think in quotes' case, the quotes themselves are short enough that they get copied wholesale, rather than linked to, and that would naturally depress the blog's ranking on linkage-dependent systems. Sorry, I didn't mean to equate anyone here with porn!

  15. >> I disagree with your take that ranking by traffic
    >> is meaningful while ranking by links is not.

    That is not at all what I meant or said.

    I saif that ... On TLB,

    Ranking by Links is BROKEN - totally and completely broken.

    Ranking by Traffic works properly but has one known but/defect.

    Proof of the broken-ness of the TLB link counting process is easy. One particular blog I know for sure to have 900+ links, more than 300 of them being front page links and over 200 of those being listed in the TLB ecosystem.

    TLB link count is 42. (should be 200+)

    Technorati link count is 900+

    MSN link count is 3400+

    Msn counts all links, Technorati counts Blog links, TLB does not count properly ... hence ... BROKEN.

  16. There are so many different kinds of blogs. Apples, oranges, grapes (and of course no one in this thread was throwing tomatoes by lining them up with porno blogs. I can see how different counting systems favour different kinds of blogs. I can see establishing criteria for blogs of a given kind and implementing a counting system for them that would have some integrity. But I can't imagine a single system that would create reliable a base line for comparison between different kinds of blogs let alone accurate measurement of their presumed success (measurement of what?) That's why the whole counting and ranking thing seems so meaningless to me.

  17. Problogger only gets 4400 visits a day? I find that hard to believe.

    There's also the question if that list takes into account RSS readers. I doubt it since it's based on a javascript that needs to be loaded. (We've discussed TLB here in the past)

  18. I don't see an open sitemeter.com counter on problogger.net. The visit number is probably left over from a long time ago.

  19. Problogger.net stats:

    Statistics

    Unique Visitors Today: 3,747
    Page Views Today: 8,180
    Unique Visitors this Week: 10,289
    Page Views this Week: 23,472
    Unique Visitors this Month: 3,496
    Page Views this Month: 7,708

  20. Sorry, it was not loading but it was there:

    http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=sm1problogger

    VISITS

    Total 2,386,300
    Average Per Day 5,216
    Average Visit Length 2:33
    Last Hour 250
    Today 3,109
    This Week 36,514

    PAGE VIEWS

    Total 5,313,482
    Average Per Day 10,809
    Average Per Visit 2.1
    Last Hour 527
    Today 6,589
    This Week 75,662

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