No one can hide reality by denying it. And I'm going to give it up now. I was looking for some good friends here on wordpress. This is not the best way to have them by debating on religious topics. But I'll always defend my religion.
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You go girrl
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Of course you will always defend your religion even when it's not under attack.
John Sanford and George Lough provide this definition: “Egocentricity may be defined as a state in which a person is concerned with his own defense and the fulfillment of his own ambitions, which ambition, on close scrutiny, turn out to be closely tied to his defenses.”
The import of this is simple. A man is inducted into a religion from birth or at any point in his lifetime. Through the practice of that religion, he is told he can reach to God. He is told that there are certain things he must do to maintain his acceptance as a follower. He might be indoctrinated, he might not be. But now he has a defense and an ambition.
His defense consists of his religion, that this is authentic manner to get to God, because the authenticity of the claim is narrated through tales and books he believes in. his ambition is to become a true follower of that religion, to leave nothing left in becoming an acclaimed follower of his God. And so, he is concerned (this concern varies in people) with that defense and the fulfillment of that ambition.
The human mind is naturally prone to the following egocentric tendencies:
- egocentric memory (the natural tendency to “forget” evidence and information which does not support our thinking and to “remember” evidence and information which does)
- egocentric myopia (the natural tendency to think absolutistically within an overly narrow point of view)
- egocentric infallibility (the natural tendency to think that our beliefs are true because we believe them)
- egocentric righteousness (the natural tendency to feel superior in the light of our confidence that we are in the possession of THE TRUTH)
- egocentric hypocrisy (the natural tendency to ignore flagrant inconsistencies between what we profess to believe and the actual beliefs our behavior imply, or inconsistencies between the standards to which we hold ourselves and those to which we expect others to adhere)
- egocentric oversimplification (the natural tendency to ignore real and important complexities in the world in favor of simplistic notions when consideration of those complexities would require us to modify our beliefs or values)
- egocentric blindness (the natural tendency not to notice facts or evidence which contradict our favored beliefs or values)
- egocentric immediacy (the natural tendency to over-generalize immediate feelings and experiences–so that when one event in our life is highly favorable or unfavorable, all of life seems favorable or unfavorable as well)
- egocentric absurdity (the natural tendency to fail to notice thinking which has “absurd” consequences, when noticing them would force us to rethink our position)
The degree of egocentricity hinges on amount of invested interest which is a function of degree of emotion invested. Egocentricity is only the foundation assuming “we feel” confident about an area, or “we feel” proud, passionate, etc, as well as the degree of conviction and unwillingness to yield as discussion branches out.
Feelings that Accompany Egocentrism > Essential Idea: When egocentric thinking is successful in getting what it wants, positive feelings accompany it. But when egocentric thinking is not able to achieve its purposes, negative feelings result.
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I'd like to take a moment to note that no religion ever successfully bored someone into converting.
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Millions of people are adopting faith every year. And most of them are coming towards Islam.
Here is the annual report (of jamat Ahmadiyya only (youtube)Here is the article of western people.
I'm not egocentric. But I can not bear the abusive allegations on my religion and the holy prophet.
[links tidied - Mark]
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Sorry that was not the annual report of jamat in whole world. It's about convention in Holand only.
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"But I can not bear the abusive allegations on my religion and the holy prophet."
Then your only option is to stop reading.
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ISLAMOPHOBIA
When you attack black people they call it racism,
When you attack Jewish people they call it anti-Semitism,
When you attack woman they call it sexism,
When you attack homosexuality they call it intolerance,
When you attack your country they call it treason,
When you attack a religious sect they call it hate speech, but....
When they attack the Messenger of Allah –Muhammad(pbuh), they want to call it freedom of speech????? -
I don't thik there is any attacking of slam on this thread. There is disagreement to the concept of believing in a religion at all and disagreement with proselytizing but I can't see where anyone actually attacked Islam as a religion.
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Sorry for the typos - too early in the morning.
I would add, since I am typing, those of us who do not believe in a religion tend to question EVERYTHING, those who do believe should not interpret questioning as attacking - they are entirely different things. Also, putting forward our view of being a non-beliver is also not attacking, it is simply expressing our view, the same as believers express their view.
My saying I do not believe, do not want to believe and here is why, is NOT attacking anything - it is simply expressing MY view.
I disagree many are adopting a faith, too. In my experience many more people are realising religion is a way to control people and are moving away from it in droves.
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@iphonist1
I'm not egocentric. But I can not bear the abusive allegations on my religion and the holy prophet.
Really?
What happened to this?I always respect everyone. Everyone is human first and what so ever after that. Our religion's motto is Love for all hatred for none http://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic/opinions?replies=71#post-791916
egocentric righteousness (the natural tendency to feel superior in the light of our confidence that we are in the possession of THE TRUTH)
But I can not bear the abusive allegations on my religion and the holy prophet.
You must have an overactive imagination as there are no abusive allegations pertaining to your religion and your prophet in this thread.
egocentric blindness (the natural tendency not to notice facts or evidence which contradict our favored beliefs or values)
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This is something damn.
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Thumbs up for Umhassim. That's 200% true.
And for TT
"We may be the friends to the serpents of deserts but not to Gustakh (a person who dis respect prophets or Allah)".
That person was severely abusive.
(I'd never had reacted like that way if that person had used abusive language for me).
I did not use any abusive words there though, just accursed. -
Well, cursing people is abusing people, so stop it or up your game.
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@ raincoaster & time thief
sorry for being inquisitive, but what is your religion?
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Why does it matter? That's between me and my god.
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thats fine. at least i know you not an athiest cause you said GOD!
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@umhassim - "at least I know you are not an atheist" - what does that mean? To an athesit (me) it sounds VERY insulting, just so you know.
@iphonist - I believe the comment you and TT are talking about is one you made on a now closed thread. In that case, you have to take everything in life in context - that thread was started by an extremist, just as there are extremists in Islam. Those extremists want to do very bad things to other people. You cannot defend the prophet unless you also condemn the extremists in Islam, just like my husband does and do many other Muslims.
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@umhassim
thats fine. at least i know you not an atheist cause you said GOD!
Are you saying it's not fine to be a person without god ie. an atheist? Are you saying you don't really practice love for all and hatred for none? Because if you don't practice what you preach then you are in danger of being apprehended as a hypocrite.
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@iphonist1
Whenever anyone uses a religious slogan as you did they are put to the test of living up to the words they speak. If they fail to practice what they preach then they can be fairly dismissed by those who witness their deviations as being either hypocrites, fools, or worse.These are your words said in this very same thread:
I always respect everyone. Everyone is human first and what so ever after that. Our religion's motto is Love for all hatred for none http://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic/opinions?replies=71#post-791916
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I have a question for @iphonist and @umhassim
I am a white athesit married to a black muslim. Do you think less of my husband for marrying me?
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Ah, but if I said it was between me and my velvet bunny, would that mean I really had a velvet bunny?
In that case: It's between me and my Julian Assange!
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@raincoaster - that is exactly what I thought in response to your comment - I thought I'd done enough on Twitter with your adoration, so I left it alone.
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@teamoyeniyi
Fundamentalists (Abramiac and otherwise) believe that a believing spouse is the person most likely to convert their partner and in service to their god they are indeed expected to use their influence to achieve that conversion. If they don't then their "brethren" don't hold them in high esteem.Islam teaches that everyone is Muslim at birth. The belief is that every child that is born has a natural inclination to goodness and to worship the one true god alone, but his or her parents or society can cause him or her to deviate from the straight path. When someone accepts Islam he/she is considered to revert to his/her original condition. https://www.crescentproject.org/images/images_A6676/MarryingaMuslimMan
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@ TT - My husband knew there wasn't any liklihood of me converting or reverting and he has never tried.
I don't have bacon or pork in the house, out of simple respect, but I certainly eat it when I am not at home.
I believe we are all born non-believers - we are controlled by our local society. I'd like to use the word "brainwashed" but that may be considered a little strong by some readers - but it is VERY hard for non-believers to understand how belief could happen any other way, even if done with best of intentions by ones loving parents.
Thanks for the link!
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Australians worship beer, is that right?
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Actually, that link is, in my view, biased. The intention, it seems from reading it, is to "nicely" warn.
It is articles like that which do not add to the dialogue between religions and/or non-believers.
There are different "strains" of Islam, the same as there are different christian strains (Catholic, Anglican, Baptist etc).
If the Qu'ran is followed correctly, women are highly valued. The problem is in some societies the Qu'ran is not followed correctly. Afghanistan being a classic example when you read about the horrors inflicted on women there.
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The link I posted is from a Christian site that's focused on converting Muslims to Christianity.
Crescent Project's mission is to inspire, equip and serve the Church to reach Muslims with the Gospel of Christ for the Glory of God. It is our vision to see a day when fear is replaced with love and millions of Christians are actively sharing the truth of Christ with millions of Muslims for the glory of God. We do this through prayer, training, local outreach, and short-term trips.
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LOL @Raincoaster - so urban myth has it. Actually, I hear our beer consumption is droping and our wine consumption rising! I hope that is a sign we are becoming more civilised, but I doubt it.
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