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Problem with the text editor in Opera, possibly due to TinyMCE

  1. Hi,

    I have a problem, as the title suggests, with the text editor in the Site Admin. I searched a little before beginning this topic, and I found that it was maybe related to the use of TinyMCE in the WordPress code, and I think that the fact that I use Opera (9.10 on XP) doesn't improves things, as I have the same problem on another site where I'm the only Opera user.

    Concretly, the problem is that the text doesn't wrap at the end of some lines (sometimes it does, don't ask why). And it acts as if there were "blocks" of texts : if I continue to write after having gone past the border of the text editing area, after a while a whole chunk of the line goes down, leaving only some words behind. I fix this manually by breaking the "blocks" with spaces (I erase one space between two words and I put it back), and if there is enough room for the words before the "break" in the above line, then they go there. But even if I do this in the Site Admin, in my Blog it doesn't always work, and the text is all weirdly arranged.

    Is there any solution to this, apart from changing the browser I use ? Thanks.

    Oh my Blog's here ! You can see the lines 2,5,7 and 8 acting weirdly.

  2. Could we have a link to your blog so we can check it out? Saves oodles of time.

  3. Yeah, I forgot, sorry :( Here you go : http://feanole.wordpress.com/

  4. I see that error even in Firefox. Very strange.

    How did you post the entry? Did you type it in the Write box, or did you paste it from Word or from elsewhere on the Web? Those both have a tendency to add weird tags that might be responsible.

  5. In fact, I edited the first entry (the WordPress one), but it's the same problem when I create a new one in the "Write" panel.
    And when I say it's because of Opera, I mean the problem occurs if write using Opera, but is visible from every browser once the article is published.

  6. Ah, I get it now. If I were you I'd send a feedback and ask staff if there's anything you can do. I know that Safari doesn't play well with WordPress, but I thought Opera was pretty okay.

  7. Ok, that's what I'll do then. Thanks anyway :)

  8. Can you upgrade Opera? I don't use it regularly, but I keep it around to check that things render/work correctly for the tiny amount of web development I do.

    I just tried to replicate what you're seeing, but I have Opera 9.20 and everything is working fine.

    In fact, there is an even newer version of Opera (it just prompted me to download it).

    I'll install and check it out with that version.

  9. Ugh... never mind what I said above. I just replicated what you're talking about with the new version of Opera.

    And it seems completely random too. I started typing and saw the problem. I started a new sentence and it went to the next line. As I kept typing it wrapped as it should have.

  10. Well, thanks for your support :p and yes, the most strange thing is that it's random even in the writing of one entry.

  11. I have visited my blog from my Wii, and I've seen two things :

    -first, even if I had fixed the "text not wrapping" problem manually from my PC, it was present on the Wii, which means that even manually I can't do anything to better things, as it depends on the configuration of the visitors ;

    -second, I tried to edit a post from the Wii too, and I noticed something strange : when clicking on the text box to edit it, in some places, instead of spaces, there were "?", as if they were unrecognized characters (and I suppose that was indeed what they were). And so, I deduced that the page was rendered wierdly because some lines were considered as only one word with no spaces... unfortunately I couldn't edit the post with the Wii.

  12. This is still unresolved. I have contacted WP quite a moment ago (a week actually), but still no reply... This being an awfully annoying problem, I took the liberty to up the topic. Any idea about what I should do ? Contact WP again ?

  13. Which issue? Wii or Opera?

    I don't even know what format Wii supports.

  14. No, there is no issue with the Wii, I just mentionned it to highlight the problem of the text editor. It's just that when using it on the Wii, it displays differently than on the PC, but it's the same problem.

  15. Same problem for me. But if I log in with Firefox and re-save it, the invisible "enters" dissappear.

  16. I got feedback, and it's a toolbar bug which is being fixed.

  17. Cool, thanks for letting us know.

  18. Any word on the fix for this ? I'm relieved to have found out what was causing the problem, but it's a pain to have to fire up a different browser to edit. (Not a massive pain, but a fix would be much appreciated)

  19. There are major changes and enhancements being made. Some blogs have been negatively impacted and ALL staff are working very hard to correct problems. Perhaps you could find something else to do until these corrections are made. :)

  20. I'm having this same problem. When I try to add a hyperlink, a blank window pops up and there are javascipt errors in the Error Console. If needed, I can post them here. In addition, i'm having the word wrap problem as well.

    It would be nice if we could use FCKeditor here; it's what I was using when I hosted my own blog way back when.

  21. @atomicthumbs
    Are you using the Opera browser? If not, what browser, version and operating system are you using?

    Opera does not seem to be fully supported with TinyMCE and my suggestion would be to download and use Firefox for your blogging here at wordpress.com. It is by far the most stable and trouble free of all the browsers.

  22. TinyMCE is the rich text editor that wordpress is using, and I would be surprised if they changed to something else at this point.

  23. The problem, as I have experienced it, does indeed seem to be completely random *although* it does seem to present itself with greater insistency when I have italicised something-- somewhere along the line afterwards, whatever I'm writing will keep going, and going, and going... usually after truncating itself (as paves above called it, "invisible enters:" going for half a line, then suddenly dropping down to the next-- whereupon continued typing will take you to the rightmost far corner of the universe).

    My silly-solution has been this:

    1) Just finish writing the whole dern thing, if you can stand to look at it that way in the editing window.*
    2) When finished (or anywhere in the process, really) hit "save and continue editing;" when you see "preview post," go to that, copy the paragraph with the non-wrapping and/or truncated lines.
    3) Return to the editing window, paste the text from the preview post over the goofy text in the edit window: it will word-wrap properly. Re-apply any desired italics, bold, underline, etc.
    4) Publish or save.

    In other words, copying messed up lines from a preview or published post will eliminate upon pasting whatever mysterious forces are causing those lines to be messed up.

    * Confession: when I find this too irritating ("I can't see what I was saying, wait, where am I going with this??"), I give up and write whatever I intended in Word, copy from there, paste into the WP editor and have no problem whatsoever. (I admit my rebellion regarding all the horrible things that should be happening with funky code going from Word to WordPress, but, as an Opera user, I have never experienced anything out of sorts with this practice-- copying from Word to WP has even carried over every em-dash, umlaut and Norwegian "o" beautifully-- if I am pasting from a Word doc, all I ever have to do in WP is apply formatting and it's ready to publish.)

  24. First off, if you have not had problems with Word up until now, you will. It creates very sloppy code that will at some point come back to bite you:

    http://faq.wordpress.com/2006/11/09/why-not-to-use-word/

    Why put up with all of this when you can simply download Firefox and have none of these problems? It's a free download, costs you only around 50 MB of disk storage.

    Firefox: http://en.www.mozilla.com/

  25. There is indeed a problem with TinyMCE in Opera that causes line breaks to, well, break. The issue is that spaces get turned into non-breaking spaces.

    The TinyMCE folks say it's a bug in Opera. The Opera folks say it's a bug in TinyMCE. Neither of them know how to fix it, and they're the experts.

  26. @tellyworth
    The both must have taken Finger-pointing 101 with at least a satisfactory grade then.

  27. thesacredpath: I have read the faq "why not to use word" and the sloppy code in the first example simply does not appear for me when switching to html view. I have supposed it is perhaps just an Opera thing, perhaps I am wrong about that. In html view, things always look as in the second example. Personally I have not worried too much about it since I can read/fix a bad code no prob, but I understand people who cannot are best disadvised from taking that chance.

    As to your other question, the moment-to-moment, day-to-day advantages I get out of Opera for all purposes far outweigh the occasional wordwrap issue I experience here, and which to me is easily enough remedied with a quick copy & paste (as described above). As I've been using Opera for years, I'm spoiled by its speed. And aesthetically, I'm always surprised how sites look when I see them on FF or IE-- my own included, which is far more elegant looking/behaving in Opera than the other browsers. I'm a fan, so I can't be convinced to switch teams after seeing how they play. ;o) thanks though~

  28. Whatever browser you use is your choice and that's cool with us. (1) Now you know Opera will be problematic from time to time and, (2) you know what to do to "fix" your Opera issues yourself is to switch to another browser like firefox when they occur.
    Best wishes :)

  29. timethief: not sure if solution (2) was meant to be funny, but I have actually tested solution (2) in the past and the copy/paste trick in Opera can be done before a newly opened browser can get signed in to the dashboard-- leaving six more steps to go in the process besides. It's terribly inefficient, compared.

    On dialup and wifi, IE and FF both can be downright painful. For whatever reasons the users above choose Opera, I hope I have offered a speedy solution to the wordwrap issue.

  30. Some reports suggest the TinyMCE issues are fixed in alpha versions of Opera 9.50. I haven't tested that.

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