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Removing the scrollbar from the post editor one of the worst "improvements" yet

  1. @ paladinjustice,

    Cursor can sometimes be seen in toolbar area, but when you type something, you can't see what you're typing in that case. Sometimes cursor goes ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP OF THE SCREEN.

    Not sure if I understand your issue. If the cursor is over the area on which you are typing, why not just move it? You should be able to place the cursor wherever you want it and have it remain there. If it's drifting, then you might need to change your mouse properties settings. You'll find many suggestions on how to address this problem with a Google search.

  2. I have really long pages, and I have to scroll and scroll now to get to the update button, which then I pass and then have to go back and find. Bring back my edit scroll bar, please!

  3. I hope the staff of WordPress making changes to the platform also use it. And it would be a bonus if one or two of them writes a lot. Why? Then, I fee, we might stand a chance of seeing the issues we are dealing with dealt with. In my experience, when management - supervisors, whatever - who have to to be busy justifying their paycheques, get busy, it's often trouble-making for the powerless underlings.

    I'm dealing with that crap at work right now, where I very well may have to make the decision to take too much crap or quit. And I'm prepared to quit. I'm 58, can' retire, don't possess marketable skills and face a deliberately tight labor market where workers have zero security and are totally disrespected. 'Some' workers, I should add.

    WordPress has been awesome. I've paid nothing for my privilege, which I appreciate. Then again, I don't earn a living wage in this wonderful capitalist paradise in which the rich and corporations (including banks) have ferred away between $21 and $32 trillion dollars in tax havens.

    But one tiny thing can kill it all. And if it's one tiny thing that rich, powerful special interests want (think of the tweaks that mutilated Windows 8 so that MS could take better advantage of the tablets), then what can I, without a dime, do in order to not lose the WP that I have come to love and depend on?

    One tiny thing? Whatever WP has done, my composing ability has been impaired. The system is sluggish. I have to slow down and type at less than half my normal speed! And that's everything. Is someone hearing this?

    And yes, I'm willing to pay something to keep what I had.

  4. Discovered another new issue which presented after yesterday's modification of the page and post editors by WordPress. Gallery editor will not open, button does not work, in FF (updated to latest version yesterday, cleared today). Gallery editor button does work with Google Chrome.

    Here's the latest summary of the issues that I've encountered on one WordPress blog since yesterday's WP mod.

    1. Missing internal post editor scrollbar and resizer, resulting in more difficult access to the publishing panel, tags, etc. Many WP.com users have confirmed within this thread that this change results in more work and time required to edit and/or tag posts, or to perform other administrative chores because now more time (approximately twice as much as before, I find) is necessarily spent scrolling.

    2. YouTube codes and text from WordPad (also Notepad and presumably other similar editing tools) are stripped as soon as pasted into post or page editor in visual mode. Above, I mistakenly said YouTube code was removed at update. The stripping is occurring immediately upon pasting into the editor in each case. Update to latest FF version and clearing the browser had no effect. The same issues present with Google Chrome, though see #5. below.

    3. Cannot center or flush-center pair images in visual editor as I've done for at least 3 years.

    4. White space of variable size, usually quite large, at top of editing window while in visual mode. Not present in text mode.

    5. Gallery editor button does not work with latest Firefox version, the brand new 31.0. Therefore cannot edit any galleries with the new FF browser. Will try the previous version. Gallery editor button does work as normal with Google Chrome.

  5. My main issue is (and I write 6k+ word posts two or three times a week) the lack of the ability to page up and page down (page stutters, but document doesn't scroll up). Internal (in-editor) scrollbar is gone in favor of some auto-stretch window, and navigation has been complicated many times over by this.

    Basically, as far as I understand it, the usual (rightmost) window scrollbar works, but the auto-focus on the cursor/auto-window stretch supercedes that, and insta-bumps me back to my old position when I try to page up.

    I've been left largely unable to navigate the document I'm writing, short of a ctrl-f to find a phrase in the right neighborhood and liberal use of the arrow keys. It's crippling.

    My blog is Pactwebserial.wordpress.com

  6. wildbow,
    Sympathizing with you. I have many long posts, though seldom do I compose any long paragraphs to insert in them. When I do, however, I'll compose on an external editor such as WordPad, then paste the finished product into my page or post. Since yesterday, however, pasting from WordPad or Notebook into a post/page fails in visual mode. Still works in text mode, though I'm not placing any bets on whether it will work tomorrow.

  7. I'm having fun doing one of my long posts (sarcasm), and came across one other minor thing that's not working . . .

    Can't insert a poll . . . click the button, dialog box open (blank), goes gray, then turns off.

    Anyone else experiencing this latest improvement?

  8. paladinjustice
    Member

    The word "crippling" says a lot. I constantly have to try to retrieve my writing which is hiding behind the toolbar, but as soon as I move it down with the far right scrollbar and type a letter, it jumps back into its hiding place. Scroll, type a letter, jump, scroll again, etc.

    Limiting myself to short posts until this thing is made functional again.

  9. Just got done with a long post . . . lots of writing and lots of pictures.

    I'm not having the problem you describe, but I'm not using the distraction-free option.

    I just start editing like I normally do, and while the menu on the right scrolls away, the writing menu remains visible as I scroll.

    I don't like the full-screen option because the fade-in/pop-up menu does not have all the formatting options, and also it's pretty slow.

    Then again, perhaps the editor behaves differently for different layouts. I'm still with the 2010 layout.

    The main annoyance is scrolling up to save, and scrolling up to add tags as needed. I now write tags down and hope that I remember to add them all at once before publishing.

  10. @ paladinjustice,

    I constantly have to try to retrieve my writing which is hiding behind the toolbar, but as soon as I move it down with the far right scrollbar and type a letter, it jumps back into its hiding place.

    You've mentioned jumping around of text a few times in this thread. I haven't seen any text jumping. Lots of other weird stuff in the past 36 hours or so, but no jumping text. What browser are you using? Have you updated it recently?

  11. paladinjustice
    Member

    IE9 is what I'm using. Downloaded Chrome; no difference except the cursor disappears with the writing behind the toolbar. I think the jumpiness is due to the edit box elongating when you type enough lines.

  12. I don't know if this has been addressed before, but I can not add links anymore. Whenever I copy and paste a link, nothing happens. This "update" is making my blogging experience pure hell.

  13. @disperser me neither! Nothing happens when I try to post a link from YouTube, PollDaddy, etc. This is the worst "update" I have seen since blogging with WP. I am so agitated by this whole fiasco. Why can't well enough be left alone? The devs have really screwed up this time.

  14. @paladinjustice,

    I think the jumpiness is due to the edit box elongating when you type enough lines.

    I'm looking at a post (actually a page) now with 1930 words. No jumping. Yours longer than that?

  15. thenakedlistener
    Member

    re: Commenting organisation

    Dear all,

    For the benefit of staff & developers following this thread, I trust now is a good time to organise our individual issues using the word "re:" as you can see from what I did now.

    We appreciate that the staff/devs' are busy people who might have to scan comments to plough through all their thread workload -- BUT we also want them to know (realise, appreciate) the issues we're having.

    Thank you everybody.

  16. @ the nakedlistener,

    Good idea. I've always thought we should have the option to edit and delete comments in these forums.

  17. Re: Summary of issues with WordPress.com post and page editors arising since WP modification on 22 September:

    If I had my druthers, I'd change the title of this thread because the added scrolling time, the major complaint caused by the imperfect September 22 post editor modification, is only one of many strange post and page editor problems that appear to have begun at about the same time. They might all be WordPress 4.0 version 1 issues.

    Here's the principal issue addressed in this thread, in a nutshell:

    I. Removal of the internal post editor:
    This, and the attendant modifications of the post and page editor window by WordPress on 22 September is the principal issue addressed in this thread. The modifications, according to numerous complaints by WP users in this thread, have resulted in more difficult access to the publishing panel, tags, etc. Many users have noted that the changes have resulted in more work and time required to edit and/or tag posts, or to perform other administrative chores because now more time is necessarily spent scrolling.

    However, most if not all of the user complaints related to this modification might be resolved by unpinning the administrative sidebar modules (in posts: Categories, Publish, Tags, Format; in pages: Page Attributes and Publish) so that they remain beside the editor window when as you scroll. Thenakedlistener, at Jul 23, 2014, 12:10 PM, alludes to such a fix in his earlier summary, though he says "pin" whereas I think "unpin" is what is needed. Those sidebar modules are already pinned.

    II. Other issues, arising at about the same time:
    The majority of the remainder of the NEW issues which I've noticed since the modification went into effect yesterday (22 July 2014) and which others have been complaining about in this thread, do not seem to have any necessary relationship to the modification of the editor windows. These issues include, but are not limited to the following:

    A. Issues I've noticed and reported:

    1. YouTube codes are stripped as soon as pasted into post or page editor in visual mode, as noted by me and (possibly) theteaspilleddaily.

    2. Text from WordPad, Notepad and presumably other similar editing tools is stripped as soon as pasted into post or page editor in visual mode.

    3. Cannot center or flush-center paired images in visual editor as was easily accomplished for at least the past 3 years.

    4. White space of variable size, usually quite large, at top of editing window while in visual mode. Not present in text mode.

    5. Gallery editor button does not work with latest Firefox version, the brand new 31.0. Therefore cannot edit any galleries with the new FF browser. Gallery editor button does work as normal with Google Chrome. Have not yet tried an earlier FF version.

    B. Issues others have noticed and reported:

    1. Links are stripped when copied and pasted, according to theteaspilleddaily. I was unable to reproduce this failure.

    2. Poll button doesn't work, according to member disperser. I was unable to reproduce the result described.

  18. thenakedlistener
    Member

    re: Publish, Tag, Categories, &c, panels on right-hand side

    Ach! Yes, musicdoc1 is right about 'pin/unpin' -- yes, it should be 'unpinned.'

    Let's spell it out for the devs -- those panels need to "travel along in tandem with the scrolling so that they always remain in sight within the browser window."

  19. @ thenakedlistener,

    Good. I'll check on this tomorrow. Shut eye time at the hacienda.

  20. I rushed that last summary out. The title of section I. "Removal of the internal post editor" should have been "Removal of the internal post and page editor scrollbar." I'm going to post a revision.

  21. Re: Summary of issues with WordPress.com post and page editors arising since WP modification on 22 September:

    If I had my druthers, I'd change the title of this thread because the added scrolling time, the major complaint caused by the imperfect September 22 post editor modification, is only one of many strange post and page editor problems, that appear to have arisen at about the same time, but which have no clear relationship to the scrollbar removal and other modifications to the editor windows. It's possible that some or all of the other issues indicate early stage WordPress 4.0 defects.

    Here's the principal issue addressed in this thread, in a nutshell:

    I. Removal of the internal post and page editor scrollbars:
    This, and the attendant modifications of the post and page editor window by WordPress on 22 September, together are the principal concerns addressed in this thread. The modifications, according to numerous complaints by WP users in this thread, have resulted in more difficult access to the publishing panel, tags, etc. Many users have noted that the changes have resulted in more work and time required to edit and/or tag posts, or to perform other administrative chores because now more time is necessarily spent scrolling.

    However, most if not all of the user complaints related to this modification might be resolved by unpinning the administrative sidebar modules (in posts: Categories, Publish, Tags, Format; in pages: Page Attributes and Publish) so that they remain beside the editor window as you scroll. Thenakedlistener, at Jul 23, 2014, 12:10 PM, alludes to such a fix in his excellent summary of pros and cons regarding the principal issue, though he says "pin" whereas he meant "unpin." The sidebar modules are already pinned. We want them to move alongside the editor window as you scroll down and up.

    II. Other issues, arising at about the same time:
    The majority of the remainder of the NEW issues which I've noticed since the modification went into effect yesterday (22 July 2014) and which others have been complaining about in this thread, do not seem to have any necessary relationship to the removal of the editor scrollbars. These issues include, but are not limited to the following:

    A. Issues I've noticed and reported:

    1. YouTube codes are stripped as soon as pasted into post or page editor in visual mode, as noted by me and (possibly) theteaspilleddaily.

    2. Text from WordPad, Notepad and presumably other similar editing tools is stripped as soon as pasted into post or page editor in visual mode.

    3. Cannot center or flush-center paired images in visual editor as was easily accomplished for at least the past 3 years.

    4. White space of variable size, usually quite large, at top of editing window while in visual mode. Not present in text mode.

    5. Gallery editor button does not work with latest Firefox version, the brand new 31.0. Therefore cannot edit any galleries with the new FF browser. Gallery editor button does work as normal with Google Chrome. Have not yet tried an earlier FF version.

    B. Issues others have noticed and reported:

    1. Links are stripped when copied and pasted, according to theteaspilleddaily. I was unable to reproduce this failure.

    2. Poll button doesn't work, according to member disperser. I was unable to reproduce the result described.

  22. @musicdoc1 thank you for compiling all of the complaints in a reasonable format for the devs to take a look at. I tried once again to post a link inside an already established post and it only backspaces. For instance, if I press enter under a paragraph and try to post a link, the space disappears and the cursor moves back to the last letter in the paragraph before. This happens for blank posts, as well. This didn't start until the "update".

  23. @theteaspilleddaily
    While we're waiting for all these bugs to be sorted out, you can try the following: Switch to the text editor and type something, then switch back to the visual editor, delete what you typed and paste your link. You can also use html to try and paste the link directly in the text editor. Instructions here: http://en.support.wordpress.com/beginning-html/#adding-a-link

  24. Dear WP:

    Kindly restore -- or at least, offer as an option -- the internal scrollbar for editing each post. I have been using WP for years for several sites. The sudden lack and disappearance of the internal scrollbar -- without any consultation with users? -- makes editing daily posts cumbersome, not to say disagreeably unmanageable. Please return the internal scrollbar for editing posts asap.

    --spb

  25. @kokkieh thanks for the tip. This is what I have to pretty much do with some newer issues also. For whatever reason, when I was testing a link and I previewed the post, there was space in the article I couldn't get rid of. Switched to HTML and now the post is back in order, but this is such a hassle. I'm hopeful that the devs are taking a looking into things and will return some sort of order.

  26. Re: the white space issue

    I just heard back from staff on another thread that the white space before text in the visual editor is fixed. I have confirmed this on my blogs. If anyone else had that particular issue you should check whether it is resolved now.

  27. One more vote for "#SOS plz bring back the scroll on post-new.php". Really hard to edit a text, its auto-scrolling!
    Τα μυαλά μας πονάνε...

  28. The white space is still there for me. Hopefully it goes away with time.

  29. Hi again everyone!

    Let's try to keep the discussion focused on what improvements we can make to the new post editor. I totally get how the current setup can be a hassle -- all the scrolling up and down the post screen, not to mention issues with copying and pasting, and the huge white space that appears before the post content. We hear ya! I appreciate the discussion we are having, and rest assured that we are keeping a close eye on the issues brought up. Here's a quick update on what's going on behind the scenes:

    1. There are talks on pinning some parts of the Publish Meta Box, possibly in a minimized state. For now, a rough solution would be to press the Tab button which takes you straight to the Publish Meta Box.
    2. The white space issue was resolved a few hours ago. Please help us test this and report back your findings.
    3. Copying and pasting issues in the Visual Editor were also resolved. Please test and drop us a report.
    4. Audio playlist not auto-advancing - resolved
    5. No padding in content box for some Firefox users - resolved

    More updates to come when they become available. Thanks!

  30. Thanks for the update, however, I am still seeing the white space. In fact, whenever I try to post a link, that's when the white space is removed. Again, whenever I try to copy and paste a link, my cursor jumps to the previous area where text is, in this case, there was none, hence the reason why the white space is now gone.

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