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  1. Hint, hint people like TimeThief and Raincoster. :)

    I'm SO puzzled. After TT posting about quantcast and so on the other day, I paid them a visit, out of curiosity. Now this I just do not understand. March 13 - WP says I got 58 page views. Quantast says I registered over a 1,000. I'll believe WP before I believe Quantcast, but the difference just astounds me.

    Am I reading Quantast incorrectly?

    I do not understand :((

    The blog I need help with is teamoyeniyi.wordpress.com.

  2. I'm afraid I am not sure myself. For raincoaster.com, Quantcast reports far fewer hits than WordPress.com stats. I don't know what would account for the difference between the way it's reporting your stats and the way it's reporting mine. Normally the differences are consistent, eg Sitemeter consistently reports lower numbers than WordPress.com, for all blogs, not just one.

    Mind you, this COULD reflect a difference between Quantcast and WordPress on when the day "clicks over" to the next day. We always get "Oh my god, it says I have no hits today" reports when someone's blog has just clicked over to a new day.

  3. Thanks, Raincoaster, but no way would that explain this sort of difference - hehehe - I don't get that many hits a day to make that sort of a difference. My max day is 300, and the day before the day in question WP says 76 and the day after 98. No where near the 1,000. I also made sure I was comparing apples with apples - page views on both.

    But other things are weird too - for example Alexa says 43% of my traffic comes from Canada, whereas the TopBlog site told me 50% USA and 3x% Australia and about 10% (from memory) from Canada.

    I mean, I understand differences between data collection methodologies and so on, but this just makes no sense to me and I wondered if I was going nutty.

    Now that you mention other blogs - my other one seems to be far closer between WP and Quantcast, because I checked that as a comparison.

    It is not that I'm worried about stats - I am just using my own URL to try and learn how all this stuff hangs together, as I really am a www novice. FMIS and SQL is my field.

  4. I'd forget Alexa altogether. Sitemeter and Statscounter are good though. Alexa is by definition always six months out of date, and they only gather info from people using the Alexa Toolbar, so the results reflect who's using that toolbar, not who is reading your blog.

  5. Thanks Raincoaster - I'll check them out and see how they compare.

  6. Do I really have to put the code in EVERY post - or does having it in the sidebar mean it is sort of on every page?

    I feel rather stupid, but I can't seem to find the answer to that question.

  7. I think I know what it might be - that might be the day I changed Themes - I had to check every page to resize photos and then ended up putting More tags in all of the posts and so on.

    It seems that it counts every visit to your own site - I had wondered about that, because how would it know?

    So I probably went through every post a couple of times and some that I had real problems formatting, I might have looked at more than that.

    Would that explain it?

  8. my understanding was we cant use it since we cant put in code on a .com site. But I could be wrong. Some bloggers on .com here have ways to see even how long a person viewd a particular page. But everytime I try to learn this skill, I find, its not something that can be done.

  9. Can't use what Midaevalmaiden? Quantcast tracks you anyway - just go to their site and enter your URL.

    Statcounter and Sitemeter you put a HTML text widget somewhere - I popped mine in the footer and it seems to work, although I can't stop it counting my own visits to the site despite following all the instructions. *sigh* I even set them for the cookies. Maybe it will work when I reboot or something, I don't know. I've been fiddling with my header, so I can see my own visits inflating things :(

    I think I'll just stick to WP stats - at least I understand them!

  10. Statcounter works for my blog. Mine is in the sidebar, but I haven't put it in my new theme yet.

    The stats are usually in the +5 or -5 range of WP stats.

  11. I'm trying out Sitemeter, but it keeps reverting to count me for some reason I can't fathom. I'll keep learning - it is all a learning exercise!

    We are about to launch a customer portal at work, so I need to come to grips with all this, I am guessing.

  12. Okay, ow I'm really terrified of stats counters. I'm sticking to WP stats - they give me quite enough to obsess over anyway.

  13. most stat counters use java which is not allowed on wordpress.com. I wanted to install one once and was explicitly told no it can't be done. But yet I see you've done it.
    based on momfogs recommendation I just went to StatCounter.com and their instructions are easy. I just put one in my footer. (I think)

    But @team you might be interested to know. With statcounter is an option to enter your ip address so that it will always avoid taking a count from your own computer when you visit your own blog.

  14. @lifewith4counts - I looked at both and went with SiteMeter - it has both browser (cookie) and IP option - the IP option is no good for most of us these days as we have dymanic IP addresses - that is, every time you log in to your computer (or reboot your router, depending on your connection type) you get a new IP address.

    Some people still have static IP addresses, but very few.

    I did get it working in the end - excluding me.

    @ulaysha - I'm not that worried about the stats themselves - I'm using it as a learning exercise, as of course stats on my own stuff is something I can understand, it is more meaningful to me.

  15. @teamoyeniyi
    Let's start with this. No two metrics programs measure exactly the same things in exactly the same way. Therefore they will never agree.

    Hits, Page Views, Unique Visitors
    What is a hit? In web analytics, a hit is any request for a file from a web server. By request means a hit calculates page content delivered, all images to complete that page, and any additional files that need to be loaded to make the web page you are looking at, appear the way it does.

    What is a page view? A page view is a request to load a single page of an internet site that results from a page request from a web surfer clicking on a link on another HTML page which is pointing to the page in question.

    What is a unique visitor? A unique visitor is access from a single IP to a web server that generates page views and hits during a particular visit. When a visitor has cookies disabled, there is no way of establishing if they are a unique visitor or not.

    Note this about wordpress stats:
    The following are not counted:
    * Visits from registered users of the blog when they are not logged in.
    * Visits to uploaded documents and files.
    * Visits from browsers that do not execute javascript or load images.
    * GoogleBot and other search engine spiders.

    Are you savvy to why Quancast exists and how much reliance to place on it?
    Quancast measures metrics for those who need to know what those figures are they are deriving income form their sites through advertising, affiliate schemes an PPC. WordPress.com is deriving income form advertising on our blogs so I would NOT dismiss those metrics from Quantcast.

    Sitemeter, Statcounter, wordpress stats and all the others will never agree. Each one of them decides how and what they will count as a hit. Some count page views and some count unique visitors. Therefore, use any of the stats counters only as a general guide to hits.

    Understand that an application that is not running on the same servers your blog is on is going to be susceptible to wild fluctuations. This is because all hits have to be transferred over the internet to different servers, and there are literally thousands of things that can go wrong between the server your blog is on and the server at the stats place.

    Also be aware of the possibility that the software or hardware at the stats place may be broken and not recording, or counting things as intended.

    Just to be clear about where I am at I am not stats obsessed and I freely admit that I don't even like discussing this topic at all. I don't have time time I wish I had to blog in so you can bet I'm not fixated on blog stats --- I have our business book to stare at.

    I disagree with raincoaster on Alexa. I find their data to be very useful but I'm not into fighting so I will leave it at that.

  16. The third partv stats programs we can use on wordpress.com blogs are found under "Visitor tracking" on the Popular Posts page on my blog. > http://onecoolsitebloggingtips.com/popular-posts/

  17. Very interesting stuff TT - Thank you so much! What astounds me is on Quantcast they have all these statistics about the age, income, gender and academic level of the visitors. How on earth do they know that stuff, other than applying general demographic analysis results applicable to the area where the IP address is? After all, if my daughter comes and uses my PC, I have a degree and she doesn't (yet). How do they even know I have one?

    I look at it and it makes my head spin!

    I'm finding it very interesting from the systems perspective - as I said, I'm using my own as a learning exercise because I can do things like look at one set of numbers and another and also have a feel for my own site - much easier than learning all this on textbook examples.

    *sigh* I think I've just proven to myself that I'm not about to change professions to become a writer! I can't get that systems stuff out of my head!

  18. @lifewith4cats Statcounter has a blocking cookie option as well. I don't use the IP option for the reasons @team stated.

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