A tag and a category using the same name

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  • #754964

    dewnestry
    Member

    I want to have a ‘SinFest’ tag and a ‘SinFest’ category… Is it possible?
    Currently, it tells me that I can’t because the ‘slug’ is already being used. I don’t care if one of them uses a ‘SinFest2’ slug, I just want them both to be ‘SinFest’.

    P.S.
    I have a few categories with identical tags, but when I want to change a category’s name a one which a tag already uses, like in this case, it doesn’t let me.

    #755145

    raincoaster
    Member

    It’s possible, but not a good idea. For one thing, it’ll get you blocked from the Global Tag Pages if staff notice it: for another, it confuses search engines since tags and categories are the same thing on WordPress.com.

    #755154

    dewnestry
    Member

    Why will it get me blocked?
    So if I have a ‘SinFest’ category, it’s exactly the same as having a ‘SinFest’ tag in the tag surfer?

    #755160

    timethief
    Member

    Please see here > global tags > missing posts
    Also note that as categories and tags are treated the same way by search engines and by WordPress.com duplication makes zero sense. The only attention it will draw to you will be negative in the search engine context. Over tagging aimed at gaming search engine results is labeled as spamdexing and can have negative consequences when it comes to where your posts are displayed in SERPs (search engine page results).

    #755162

    dewnestry
    Member

    I’m not over-tagging. I just want a SinFest tag so people who search for SinFest could find my poists, and a SinFest category, because I have a section of posts dedicated to SinFest.

    #755163

    raincoaster
    Member

    That’s over-tagging. Tags and categories function identically at WordPress.com, so that’s the same as having two SinFest tags or two SinFest categories.

    #755166

    dewnestry
    Member

    Isn’t overtagging simplt giving a post a lot of tags? Because even if you count categories as tags, I almost never use more than six, and that’s the recomended number…

    Well, if people can find my posts through the tag surfer when looking for SinFest even if I just have a SinFest category, I guess I could give the tag up… even though not every time I use it I include the post in the category ‘SinFest’.

    #755168

    timethief
    Member

    Please read the section I linked to above. If you blog has mature content not for suitable for viewing by minors, contains legal sexual content, and/or offensive content then it can and may be reported to Staff. If the blog is reported as “mature” then Staff will assess the nature of the content and if they agree with the blogger(s) who reported it then it will be labeled “mature” and your posts will not appear in the global tags pages at all.

    #755169

    dewnestry
    Member

    My blog doesn’t have a mature content, and I do want it to appear in the global tags pages.

    #755198

    Recapitulating:

    Never use the same word or phrase as both a tag and a category. There’s absolutely no point doing that, plus you’ll run into technical problems if you do it.
    1) Categories and tags help your visitors isolate posts they’re more interested in (if you have added the respective widgets). Categories are supposed to be the main subgroups of your posts, while tags (optional) are supposed to be other keywords related to the content of a particular post. Note that the Categories widget displays all the categories assigned to published posts while the Tag Cloud widget is limited to a maximum of 45 tags (the most used ones).
    2) For the global wp.com tag pages, categories and tags are exactly the same thing: tags. And that’s why a category and a tag with the same name are actually the same piece of data: as you found out, if you try to edit the one, the other will change as well (so what you’ll have to do is delete the duplicates and re-create them). Also, the more the duplicates, the more the chances you may be considered a tag spammer and get excluded from some global tag pages.
    3) Search engines don’t pay much attention to tags. Tags have been greatly abused (to deceive users and drive traffic to sites with irrelevant content), so search engines nowadays look at your content rather than your tags. Watch Google’s own Matt Cutts:

    #755223

    dewnestry
    Member

    Oh, I see. I deleted all the tags which are identical to a category.

    #755224

    dewnestry
    Member

    If I have a SinFest category, does it mean I shouldn’t even have a ‘SinFest Saturday’ tag too?

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