Any update on turning off global tags or letting users know they are not local?

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  • #142399

    jamesewelch
    Member

    I’ve been searching for the forums on this topic and there doesn’t seem to be much of an update over the last few months.

    It seems like the only way to turn off global tags is to cheat the system by marking your blog as mature content. As recommended here: https://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic.php?id=9298

    However, I’m pretty sure that will have bad side effects, so I’m trying to stay away from using that technique.

    I wouldn’t mind the global tags, if it wasn’t so confusing. Right now, when a user clicks on a category at the bottom of my post, it shows global posts. But if they click on the same tag in my sidebar, then they see only my posts.

    I’ve ended up adding my own links to the bottom of my posts that link to my categories, but the global tags are still there. So now, I just have 2 sets of links on the bottom of my posts – which is not the best way of doing it.

    I also know that I can turn off the setting under Privacy, but that limits your visibility to search engines as well. Seems like it would be nice to have a checkbox under Presentation/Extras, just like the Snap Preview option.

    But, I’d rather just have the themes edited to say that the links are GLOBAL and not linking to my own blog. Its just too confusing for me and anyone who expects the link to be site-specific navigation. Or even better, what about all of the themes having 2 sets of links. One local and one global?

    Original request was closed by admin a long time ago:
    https://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic.php?id=935

    #142519

    raincoaster
    Member

    No, no update.

    #142526

    wank
    Member

    The tag/category system is going to undergo an overhaul shortly, since tags are being introduced in WP 2.3, so we’ll see what happens. I’m not optimistic, though; Matt has been pretty adamant about concealing the destination of global tags from visitors, since fewer people would click on them if they knew what they were and fewer clickthroughs=less ad revenue.

    #142528

    timethief
    Member

    Refer to:
    Is there an easy way to add tags?
    See Mark’s post here: https://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic.php?id=15194&page&replies=14#post-111332

    #142532

    raincoaster
    Member

    As well, as has been discussed before, one of the key reasons WP.com blogs do so well in search engines and Technorati is this exact thing; the way global tag pages link to individual posts. You can set it up differently with a self-hosted blog if it really bothers you, but you will not have anywhere near the juice you would if you continue to use the global tags the way they’re set up here.

    #142543

    jamesewelch
    Member

    I don’t mind using the global tags. I would just like to make sure the readers know that the link they are clicking on will take them off my site. Its more of a usability/confusion issue than not wanting them.

    #142544

    raincoaster
    Member

    If you got the CSS upgrade, perhaps you could put “Tags: opens to global tag pages” or something at the start of the paragraph of tags. That’s all I can think of.

    #142645

    options
    Member

    It seems like the only way to turn off global tags is to cheat the system by marking your blog as mature content. As recommended here: https://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic.php?id=9298

    However, I’m pretty sure that will have bad side effects, so I’m trying to stay away from using that technique.

    yes, you’re absolutely right — marking your blog as mature content will no dice.
    furthermore, as it appeared recently, that Mature blog’s Category links in the post-meta leads to literally Nowhere, i.e. appropriate Global Tags pages are simply empty at all.

    the only available way to escape from GT kolkhoz and get a sane blog navigation is to set a blog as a Private one, thus hiding it completely out from search engines view as well.

    … one of the key reasons WP.com blogs do so well in search engines and Technorati is this exact thing; the way global tag pages link to individual posts.

    well, according to Matt himself,

    The tag pages weren’t created for search engines, they were created to build bridges between bloggers on their own little islands.”

    i.e. the purpose of the Global Tag Communism is not a huge Link Farm aiming to get a SEO benefit (exploiting some search engines issues), but merely distributing (I doubt about net increase) total page-views number between different .com blogs for the account of blogs with higher PR and/or more related (to the SE) queries content. the later said blogs just have to pass away they PR/quality content links cause they out of control it this way.

    as wank has already correctly noted above, fooled by concealed GT links, visitors landed from search engines, simply click on hijacked category links and get that said “stream of fresh stuff” instead of related content they were after on your blog — otherwise blogs with low quality and/or unrelated content would never earn that hits by a legitimate way (e.g. such as hits from SE).

    notice, by the way, that many of so called VIP blogs hosted on the .com (such as LOLcats, CNN ticker, GigaOm blogs network, and since recently .com news blog itself, et al.) don’t hurry up to give up they local PR7 category links to the Global Tags system despite they seem be supposed to:

    What do we ask in return?

    #142648

    raincoaster
    Member

    Yes, yes, Matt can say whatever he likes about intentionality, but functionality is a different thing, and that’s what I’m talking about. Because the tag pages are set up that way, they have that specific effect. This has been confirmed by staff in this very forum.

    #142943

    options
    Member

    oh, I’d love to see a link to such an interesting post of staff. wouldn’t you happen to have this?

    it’s curiously, not only because Andy and Matt who were kind enough to comment this issue on my blog both didn’t mentioned by a single word that said mythical “specific effect” which has nothing to do with reality (cause there isn’t such indeed, see POC*), and both confirmed:

    The purpose is to get .com bloggers more distribution.

    but rather because they’re perfectly aware where spamdexing may lead into:

    Search engines such as Google recommend that webmasters <…> avoid participating in link farms. According to Google, a site that participates in a link farm may have its search rankings penalized.

    .
    *) POC — Proof of the Concept:

    login into your Google Webmaster Tools dashboard, switch to “Pages that link to yours” tab: here you can see all the valid external links which your site’s PR is made from.

    now count like how exactly many there are such links pointing to your blog from the pages whose URL is starting from the ‘http://wordpress.com/tag’ — most likely there are zilch (zero) of such. surpisingly? — uhm, not all.

    and yes, I’m also getting some clicks from the folks apparently bored enough so they have to browse GT or reading GT surfer’s lengthy spam-sheets in chase of the “stream of fresh stuff” (so far the “Porn” tag, I’ve recently started to use is their beloved one), but it has nowhere near something to do with the SE juice pretended.

    #142944

    raincoaster
    Member

    I don’t have the direct link, but you can search the forums as easily as I can.

    #142945

    It seems like the only way to turn off global tags is to cheat the system by marking your blog as mature content. As recommended here: https://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic.php?id=9298

    However, I’m pretty sure that will have bad side effects, so I’m trying to stay away from using that technique.

    My other blog is marked as “mature” though nothing about it is adult. I asked Mark what could go wrong by me doing this and he listed a few things like maybe there might be problems at Google and Technorati and pagerank. But no one didn’t know exactly what could go wrong. So I went along with having it labeled adult. A few things went wonky in the beginning. I noticed my Alexa page changed at first and the ” Similar pages” feature at Google went missing. But everything is now okay and is the way it should be for my other blog.

    #142946

    timethief
    Member
    #142947

    judyb12
    Member

    That would seem to support options’s view that the global tag pages don’t actually help with ranking. Thanks for sharing the info, nosy (or should i say, mmsl) :)

    #142948

    timethief
    Member

    I’m aware that this is a highly charged issue, for some bloggers. My blog benefits greatly from being a part of the global tagging system and I have no complaints about getting those hits that my blog would otherwise miss out on.

    #142949

    The only thing that changed my pagerank and traffic was when I took months off for health reasons. And when I came back, I changed formats from celebrity to now being weird news. Hits and pagerank went way down. :O

    #142950

    I also know that I can turn off the setting under Privacy, but that limits your visibility to search engines as well. Seems like it would be nice to have a checkbox under Presentation/Extras, just like the Snap Preview option.

    You can still be labeled mature and still be seen on search engines. Look at all the porn blogs and websites listed on Google. Being labeled mature and being private are different. You can just ask Mark to label your blog as mature though some things at first might go wonky at first as I said earlier. Being labeled mature will just take you off the tagging community, the “Next” feature on everyone’s blog, and from being listed on the top blogs and top posts lists.

    #142951

    options
    Member

    Being labeled mature will just take you off the tagging community

    and in this moment, unforunately, it will also make all your category links in the post meta-data pointing to NOWHERE.

    not sure if this helps to your readers browse for related posts on your mature blog, or even if this doesn’t make them as well utterly confused by such an ├╝ber-modern but somewhat unexpected manner of navigation of the web-site ;-)

    #142952

    nosysnoop
    Member

    I don’t have categories or tags on my first blog. If people want to search for anything, they type in the site search. But allot come to my site from search engines. But allot already come on a daily basis to certain posts and treat it like a forum.

    #142953

    justjennifer
    Moderator

    https://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic.php?id=15969&page&replies=1

    In the words of the venerable Mr. Spock, “Interesting”. Guess we’ll have to wait and see.

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