Blogroll appears in a reversed order of ranking incorrectly

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  • #969331

    Awesome, TimeThief, thank you!

    #969332

    timethief
    Member

    tpr2wp made an excellent suggestion and I don’t want Staff to miss noting it. You’re welcome. Hope you have a grest weekend. :)

    #969333

    I thought so, too, and expanded on it, so no qualification is necessary.

    I hope they also note my issue.

    #969334

    tpr2wp
    Member

    Thank you TimeThief! for considering the “numbering” idea “worthy” of staff attention. :) Hopefully it would only require a simple “flip of the switch” in the opposite direction, along with renaming the switch from Ratings to Numbering-in-Order, etc.

    Or, if they want to keep that 10-1 “Ratings/Likes/Star System” for “best/favorite links,” that’s fine (though I, personally, wouldn’t spend time using it), & create an ADDITIONAL brand-new-from-scratch “Number Your Links in Consecutive, Precise Order 1-through-No Limit” Option, hopefully that wouldn’t be too hard to do (just a couple of lines of code? I have no clue about that part).

    #969335

    tpr2wp
    Member

    Hi cathicarolblog! You said:

    It would be nice to be able to order one’s … Links precisely.

    A lady after my own heart (an admitted efficiency-fanatic). Loved your word choice, “precisely,” & included it in my above bolded description just for you. :)

    You also said:

    …by massaging the ratings by keeping the second tier ordering, alphabetical order, in mind…

    I’ve tried that before, too, using the alphabetical/title mode, but it was a bear & didn’t work out so well as I had to practically change the titles of other people’s sites just to get them in the position I wanted. :) I’ve never finished the “Links Depts.” of my blogs due to that & is why I first tried using the Ratings System the other night, which also didn’t work out well (arse backwards, lol).

    That took me quite a bit of time over several years; I worked hard at it.

    I feel your pain! I’ve got a bunch of links collected over a decade still over at yahoogroups using their Links pages (which, btw, yahoogroups also does NOT have a Numbering Option, but Alphabetical Only. A royal pain there as well. I would use asterisks or other symbols at the front of titles to force them to the top of the list, etc). I’m not too anxious to re-enter all those links, one-by-one, into the WP Links System, especially without a correct-ordering option. I’m thinking to set up all Links in an email, put them in my choice of order, then zap that to blog & put that “Post” into the Menu Bar (bypassing using the Links System altogether. Of course, when you want to add new links you’d have to re-do the post or send a new, updated email list of links, etc.)

    To be continued…

    #969336

    tpr2wp
    Member

    Con’t to cathicarolblog:

    Calling the blogroll’s numbering system “Ratings” is confusing, since one of the intended purposes of “rating” the links is to order them numerically.

    Very true. I noticed that, too, in the Ratings Description & couldn’t quite wrap my mind around its double purpose, so went for an attempted Organizing/Numbering pursuit.

    That there are only 10 designations was always inefficient and troublesome, to me…

    That point really needs to be highlighted. What if I have 30-50-100 links? Would I only be able to put 10 of those 100 links in numerical order, since “Ratings” only offers 10-1? Or am I missing something here? :)

    As far as whether Ratings used to list links 1-10 vs. 10-1, I’m sorry I cannot comment on that since I never tried using Ratings until the other night. But I am with you 100% on this, either way:

    What if, in the future, the glitch is investigated, fixed, or explained by someone at else WP, say, an engineer? Then I may have to do all this hard work a third time. Not anxious to do that.

    Agree & will wait before redoing any further link organizing.

    Thanks everyone!

    (PS: This forum comment system works GREAT even from my “older” 2009 3Gs iphone still using an “older” iOS! The “allowed markup” buttons all work flawlessly in this forum/comments windows > > Much smoother operation here than in “Posts/Pages” windows/toolbars in actual blogs. I wonder what is the difference, techie-wise?)

    #969337

    tpr2wp, Thank you for the support!

    I ran across this “ratings” list at ABC News yesterday that demonstrates how I thought of the WP ratings widget, i.e., Number 1 is the “best”, Number 2 the next best, etc.

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2012/08/vertigo-ousts-citizen-kane-on-sight-sounds-top-films-list/

    (Warning: Auto-play video on the page).

    Follow your own instincts on what to do about the problem on your site. When I was a public website administrator I called up site engineers and made sure glitches got fixed. But I’m not sure WP has enought staff, or the interest, to work on problems like this and , and they may never address it.

    #969338

    tpr2wp,

    Sorry, I missed the first part of your remarks. Thank you for your kind words, your thoughtfulness, and for your work on this, too. Very happy to communicate with a fellow analyst and efficiency person.

    What worries me the most about this issue is that the way the blogroll widget arranged my links *changed*.

    Upon inquiry WP asserted that the links widget ratings system is a “star” system, rather than what it is labeled as, a “rating” or “ranking” system (so that the way my blogroll appears *now* is how it was always intended to appear, based on my rankings.)

    Whatever it is called, I worked with the ratings to make my list appear the way I wanted it to. When the way I arranged my links suddenly flipped, that’s what prompted my inquiry.

    That led, thanks to your remarks, and I agree, to a broader discussion of the widget’s rating system as a whole. (I might have gone there, too, if WP had shown any interest.)

    There are three issues: 1) that fact that something happened a few weeks ago that suddenly flipped the order of at least some people’s blogrolls, 2) the way the blogroll widget’s rating system is labeled and explained, the instructions, are confusing, 3) how the ratings actually work, which could be changed to an exact, non-limited ordinal functionality rather than smearyness of “star” ratings, which really don’t make sense for this purpose.

    I’m surprised by the dearth of interest and feedback from WP staff.

    As a website administrator I listened closely to (as well as solicited) website users’ feedback and when a problem or upgrade seemed indicated, spoke with customer service people and site engineers to see what varied solutions could be implemented, consulted with my editorial colleagues, made decisions, then arranged reconfigurations to the site to make it easier to use, rewrote instructions for users, communicated with and updated all interested users, and did this on a continual basis (the perfect job for an analytical efficiency expert).

    So I keep thinking WP works that way, too, but there has been no communcation after the first statement that things are as they are supposed to be, despite the confusion of the instructions, and there have been no remarks on the change I noticed.

    Perhaps most WP users don’t care how the widget works and either aren’t bothered by the confusions and inefficiencies or don’t want to bother inquiring about them.

    However, it would be wonderful to get some feedback from WP, perhaps instruction rewriting, or a even a coding revamp.

    Or maybe the problem is this forum. I’ve stated often that I never wanted to be involved in and am now sick of having to use a “forum” system, which ensures denigrating abuse from other users while system administrators completely ignore it.

    (If upgrading will get out of it, that’s the most tempting inducement I know to upgrade.)

    Your insight and kindness have made my day.

    #969339

    pcrumm
    Member

    Howdy all!

    I’m sorry that you’re finding the link system ambiguous. Like @macmanx, I’ve always thought of the “rating” system as a sort of stars system, where you’d reasonably want the highest-rated item to come first.

    If you’re not a fan of the current ordering, I’d give creating a custom menu a shot. This lets you have quite a bit of flexibility as far as how things are displayed, and prevents the ordering ambiguity. You can then create a custom menu widget to display the menu you’ve created.

    Best,
    P.

    #969340

    nq2wp
    Member

    Hi PCrumm: Thanks for the input, but please clarify:

    1. Most themes say: “Your theme supports 1 menu.”

    2. So I create 1 menu entitled “Main Menu” that is then selected in the dropdown bar to be used as the horizontal “Navigational Menu” at the top of the page.

    3. Question: Are you saying I can create numerous menus besides that 1-Main.Menu & use those additional menus in sidebar/footer widgets?

    4. Question: If I tap the plus symbol + (top right column) to create a 2nd menu (say, for links-only for a “Site Map” to use in footer widget), will creating that 2nd menu Delete/Destroy/WipeOut my 1st Main Menu? (I’m chicken to try it without your reassurance that my 1st Main Menu will NOT be deleted or lost if I tap the + sign to create a 2nd “Site Map” menu). :)

    #969341

    tpr2wp
    Member

    Hi again cathicarolblog:

    You’re welcome for the sentiments.

    I ran across this “ratings” list at ABC News yesterday that demonstrates how I thought of the WP ratings widget, i.e., Number 1 is the “best”, Number 2 the next best, etc.

    Ah ha! So not all Rating Systems are 10-1 afterall. Good to know! I keep thinking that whoever thinks/created the #10 as BEST Link Rating rather than #1 as being BEST is probably some male web-techie who is old enough to remember that dumb 1979 movie called “10” about some supposed “hot chick” (Bo Derek). I wondered if that movie’s “social engineering influence” was the start of thinking the #10 means BEST rather than the historic #1 as meaning BEST(?) Since (I think) it is a majority of males who do coding & site designs, it wouldn’t surprise me, lol. Per wiki:

    “The title [of the movie “10”] derives from a rating system used by people to rank members of the opposite sex based upon beauty, with a 10 being the epitome of attractiveness. It came into common usage as a result of this film.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10_(film)#section_3

    I’m from the “old school” where guys would say, “You’re my #1 girl,” not my #10 girl, lol. Ditto for how I think re Link Ratings. But I digress.

    Perhaps most WP users don’t care how the widget works and either aren’t bothered by the confusions and inefficiencies or don’t want to bother inquiring about them.

    That seems to be basically true across the population at large. Not toooo many “nit pickers” among us (that being another less desirable description of those of us wired for details & efficiency). You have impressive credentials in the modern computer/internet world. A “get ‘er done” attitude which can be frustrating when “other drivers control the wheel.” I empathize, sincerely.

    #969342

    pcrumm
    Member

    @nq2wp

    3. Question: Are you saying I can create numerous menus besides that 1-Main.Menu & use those additional menus in sidebar/footer widgets?

    This is correct.

    4. Question: If I tap the plus symbol + (top right column) to create a 2nd menu (say, for links-only for a “Site Map” to use in footer widget), will creating that 2nd menu Delete/Destroy/WipeOut my 1st Main Menu? (I’m chicken to try it without your reassurance that my 1st Main Menu will NOT be deleted or lost if I tap the + sign to create a 2nd “Site Map” menu). :)

    Your original menu will stay intact.

    #969343

    nq2wp
    Member

    Thank you, PCrumm, for the confirmation. Very good!

    #969347

    ingridcc
    Member

    <I’m afraid that I tend to think, still, rightly or wrongly, that there is, or was, a glitch in the WP system – or that a change in website configuration occurred without warning users – that caused this switch, rather than that my memory is faulty. (Like Dennis Miller used to say, though, I could be wrong.)>

    Your memory isn’t faulty! The order in which links displayed suddenly flipped several months ago. See previous thread, started by me when the switch occurred. That thread was flagged for staff attn but no staff ever commented, though someone eventually closed the thread—I don’t know why, as my question was never answered or addressed by staff in any way.

    #969348

    ingridcc
    Member

    Sorry, I can’t figure out how to use that block quote feature!

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