Breach of TOS???

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  • #40805

    timethief
    Member

    @judy
    *chuckle* more comic relief

    Pat him on the butt, toss him an apron, point him to the kitchen and hire someone to do the blog and business promotion [quipped the feminist, who just couldn’t resist]. *lol*

    Setting comedy aside: staff don’t have time to search and single out blogs like yours. They usually come to attention when bloggers make a complaint.
    On one hand, there are too many people out there who want to game the search engines, go seo crazy and spam their blogs with ads all for a dubious few bucks a month. And on top of that there are the blog scrapers who create no content of their own and have strings of blogs acting as prostitutes for gaining minimal ad revenue. Those blogs suck and I appreciate what wordpress.com is trying to do here. They are trying to create a criteria thats workable within these realities. I also appreciate their reluctance to set a number in stone in the ToS for exactly the same reasons Mark has provided. Moreover, I am confident in his ability to make the call that he’s been hired to make.
    On the other hand, given
    (1) the advertising directing folks to your commercial website that is allowed on your header and
    (2) the ability to have a link to your commercial website on an “About” page and
    (3) the additional opportunity to have a single text widget with a single link to your commercial website in the sidebar;
    doesn’t suffice when it comes to using a wordpress.com blog to drive business to your to your commercial website,
    well, what can I say?
    It seems self hosting or web hosting a free wordpress blog may be the way for you to go http://wordpress.org

    #40807

    artpromote
    Member

    I can handle my business quite well by myself thank you :-) and have done for a number of years. As for my blog I can handle that by myself too thanks. Will not be using wordpress.com from tomorrow. Hope WordPress and everyone else is happy.

    If nothing else, this has been a nice lively thread :-)

    Have fun all and take care.

    Regards

    Judy

    #40813

    timethief
    Member

    Best wishes to you too. :)

    #40824

    offset
    Member

    Looks like the blog has already gone and been transfered to their own server. That was quick. Bit overboard by wordpress if you ask me.

    #40825

    offset
    Member

    Does this mean that all blogs on wordpress are now going to have to abide by this rule? If not then it does seem to have been a bit unfair and rather drastic. In my opinion I don’t think that that particular blog was breaking the terms and conditions. In fact I think that wordpress have given more publicity to that blog and website by their unnecessarily over-the-top ruling.

    Like I say, I wonder if wordpress are going to ensure that all blogs on their network adhere to the “one link only” rule. If so how? And if not why not? What was so special about this particular blog? Have I missed something?

    #40827

    timethief
    Member

    WOW! You’ve been a member here only 21 minutes , you have yet to link a blog to your name in your profile, and you have yet to create a post, but here you are in the forum offering an opinion in two separate posts on the same thread on a judgment call made by staff on a matter that staff alone can make the call on … and calling staff action over the top. strong>Over the top *lol* look who’s talking? And funnier still you concluded your last post with “Have I missed something?” … *lol* … hilarious … you’ve got to be in the entertainment business.

    #40838

    forestneeds
    Member

    I have ask this question previously and didn’t get a reply on basically: “what commercial content is/isn’t allowed?” So the only way to find out is to try some reporting. The practice seems to be that only commercial blogs with numerous links to one outside website get nuked. Though there seems to be some unevenness in this even when it is reported that there may be a possiblity that the blog is breaching the tos. Some,which may be sole proprietors ( self employed) have been allowed to leave their blogs in a fixed state ((un-added to) while they look for alternative hosting arrangements. Some brazenly commercial blogs comply with the tos by having zero links. They are just adverts! Others set up a blog and have just one post with links to many similar ( almost identical) wp blogs; plus one outside link each These are also left alone when reported. I don’t know the limits, because, while I’m willing to see straight out commercial enterprises stand on their own feet, I haven’t been willing to hurt people, and I’m not making it my job to police the tos. ( I know you’re out there, and I’m leaving you alone) I think that I have worked out for myself where I can take my blog on wp, and when I can take it elsewhwere.

    When I set up my blog, the content that I had was a very long list of references mainly ULRs, that if published as links might put me in breach of the tos as presently worded – though at the time these tos either didn’t exist or weren’t available to account holders, but that doesn’t help because wp can unilaterally change the tos. I definitely want to ‘drive traffic to other websites; and it would appear that others (eg: Scobleizer) do too. The intent of the tos is also covered in the faqs. However, there is still a lack of clarity to cover every unexpected nuance. It appears that the limits may be an ongoing negotiation. So please speak gently to your hosts.

    #40840

    How about the owner of a porn site linking in every post to his sex domain. Would that be okay? It could be legal. He would be the owner.
    How about the owner of a car selling business? A house-builder?

    we already have a system for reporting mature blogs which are non-spammy, whereby they are allowed to continue blogging, but they don’t get the benefit of global tags.

    we’re talking edge cases already, so i’m going to suggest that there are sex positive porn bloggers out there who might wish to keep an offsite blog about their adult site, that is separate from their adult site. linking to their adult site in the sidebar, as i understand it, should get them marked mature, but not marked spam.

    i’m suggesting that the terms of service should make a distinction between commercial speech and non-commercial speech. if you don’t, then my linking to my own site could be considered in breach of the TOS.

    #40848

    raincoaster
    Member

    They’ve been pretty even-handed, and in my opinion (and I am both very opinionated and a businesswoman whose business is words) on this particular issue the TOS are clear.

    If you are a business owner who blogs about your business, that’s not an issue. If you are a business owner whose blog posts appear to exist substantially if not solely for the purpose of driving people to your website, then that is an issue, whether the content itself is meaningful or not. Basically, if your WordPress blog is supposed to generate money directly or at one link remove, it should be self-hosted. This is only fair: for-profit businesses should be businesslike and not expect freebies.

    Hosting is a deductable expense in many countries, by the way.

    #40854

    If you are a business owner who blogs about your business, that’s not an issue.

    provided you never link to your business. that’s the issue here.

    it’s not like they were affiliate links. they weren’t even properly titled and texted, so they weren’t getting any google juice out of them. they were just links.

    “appear to” is dangerous language, i’m glad the TOS isn’t that vague.

    #40856

    raincoaster
    Member

    You’re allowed to link to your business. Staff deal with business blogs all the time, and that is not an issue at all. Look at http://plentyoffish.wordpress.com for an example. You can guess the name of the business (and website) just by looking at the URL! But this is not a violation of TOS.

    The issue here is that the links to a for-profit business meant so much to these particular people that they preferred to delete the blog and leave rather than give up the links. That makes things rather clear, don’t you agree?

    #40860

    i read about 4 pages in before i got tired of looking for links to plentyoffish from said blog. you can do the same with VIFAH home furnishings. by contrast, you can find links pretty quickly from sunburntkamel to archgfx, from lorelle to ‘take your camera on the road’, from darwindating’s blog to their site, and from the deleted blog to their gardening site.

    the issue here, is not, as you have surmised, that they deleted their blog. it’s an issue with the vague wording of the TOS, which _you_ can’t change.

    #40872

    offset
    Member

    You know what I’ve found interesting in all this is not whether WordPress were right or wrong or whether the blog writer was right or wrong, it’s the attitude of some of the bloggers here.

    Alright so the terms and conditions aren’t that clear and WordPress taking action against a blog like this is neither here nor there as this is an opportunity to improve upon those hazy elements of the TOS. Alternatively, I really can’t blame any business owner who runs a blog here to promote their business at every opportunity. I’ve been in business and thankfully been incredibly successful with it for over 20 years and I’m just as likely to slip my business card into your hand when I shake it today as I was when I first started out in this game.

    As for the blog that was affected in all this; no they didn’t delete their blog, they still have a blog, albeit it’s on a different server. From what I see, they’re doing exactly the same on their new blog as they were on there blog here, namely posting original content which is copyrighted to them / her and signing off their postings with a link to their website. This seems more acceptable to me than the many blogs on this network that simply pluck content from elsewhere to try and elevate their own status. These bloggers who have moved on to a different server seem totally unaffected by all this. They appear to have taken the helpful advice from some of the posters here.

    I also find it interesting that all this seems to have had the least effect on the person who ran the blog as opposed to the effect it’s had on people who had nothing to do with it al all.

    Yes I just set up this user name only yesterday, as I often do, as occasionally I like to swoop down from my usual business, something well known and very successful and not like to taint that with the behaviour of some of the blogger here. If you search around you’ll see that I’m certainly not a rare breed; particularly among my US counterparts.

    Timethief, yes I like to lurk and most of all I like to listen and observe. I have two eyes, two ears and only one mouth. Your attitude towards the people concerned is just so typical of the type of behaviours that has been emanating from social / cyber networks over the last couple of years. A derisory intolerance which we see more and more. No, you’re not an activist in the true sense; you think you are. Rosa Parks, Ed Roberts, Helen Keller, Eleanor Roosevelt ; these are examples of activists in the truest sense. No puffed up holier than thou approach, or a derisory intolerance to others. No desk thumping or caps locking high and mighty better than thou preaching.

    No Timethief, you’re not an activist although I suspect you try to put that image across due to some significant lack on your life. A deep painful lack which you probably cannot acknowledge any more. Your attitude towards men, effectively half the human species leads me to suspect that to you time is a thief; robbing you gradually of something that you desire and in order to conceal this you ‘activize’ yourself towards others. It’s this intolerance of others that has lead us to where we are in today’s political and social climate. No, these aren’t activists, they’re protestors; a mere footstep away from being extremists, and we know where extremism leads. I won’t patronize you Timethief (as you do others) in spelling it out to you.

    No time isn’t a thief. Time matures. Time teaches. Time develops and more importantly, time heals. For some people who pray to a god, time is also eternal. Timethief you try and illuminate yourself to many people with your pretend ‘activism’ or protests. It’s a shame that you don’t make the right impression to those that matter and could help you in your interests.

    No doubt you’re already puffing yourself up and locking your caps key in reply to this. Me? I’m going back to doing what I do best and unfortunately for you Timethief, your hurriedly scrambled reply to this in your red anger of haze will be wasted as I consider this silly matter to be over. I’ve got better things to do with my own ‘time’ than to waste on your intolerance to others.

    Oh and Timethief I wouldn’t worry too much about next Wednesday.

    #40873

    raincoaster
    Member

    This is the perfect place to note once again that remarks one makes in the forum are the very foundation of your reputation around WordPress.

    #40877

    I don’t use the forum as much as I should, I suppose, for I believe it can be quite a blogging tool. However, often when I am here, it strikes me as thoughtful of some (I speak of members now, not staff) who are quick to help others with problems. Sad to say, however, often these same people do come across as “know-it-alls,” as lacking in tolerance, and as patronizing.

    My point in saying this is to remind those who read here that such people (as far as I know) are not official representatives of WordPress, and it is not fair to judge WordPress by these person’s actions.

    Again, I think it’s great that we can help each other since the staff obviously can’t be on this forum 24/7. I’m encouraging thoughtfulness and civility. Humble wouldn’t hurt.

    #40882

    timethief
    Member

    You have yet to link a blog to your name in your profile, and you have yet to create a post, but here you are in the forum … making an off topic personal attack on me.
    A self-admitted spy, a voyeur and a snob. But most of all a man on a self-appointed mission and with a pressing need to threaten me from his safe, lofty pedestal while masquerading as a voice of wisdom.
    Well, I guess I made the correct call after all, offset you are in the entertainment business, as a bad actor.

    #41010

    britgirl
    Member

    @TT I have one thing to say – and that is whatever the rights and wrongs of this “issue” that I am so very sorry you had to be humiliated publicly like this with such a personal attack. You are one of the most prolific posters – no helpers here who, from what I have seen, is always one of the first to lend a helping hand, however imperfectly, with a genuine intent to help people out. I am sure many have benefited from your help. I suppose this is always the risk you run. I’m sorry also for the deafening silence here in that respect.
    Sorry Girl.
    Keep your chin up.

    #41012

    nosysnoop
    Member

    The plentyoffish site says the world’s largest blog is Perez Hilton’s blog. And you know his numbers will just go higher.

    ~ bangs head on computer screen ~

    #41013

    raincoaster
    Member

    As I said earlier, the contributions people make to these forums speak for them, often in far greater detail than they themselves realize.

    Timethief’s help has been invaluable to me and to innumerable others, and I think her reputation here is intact.

    I, of course, stand by all my earlier remarks and would like to add that none of the “incredibly” successful business men I know would take the time to write a 763-word, personally researched attack against a stranger on an Internet forum. This behaviour is called trolling.

    #41016

    timethief
    Member

    Successful businessmen are not up in the middle of the night registering just to get a user name without a blog and devoting their time and energy to composing 1100 word personal attacks on individuals they don’t even know. That’s why I didn’t and don’t feel in the least humiliated by the off-base and out-of-bounds attack of this poor soul.
    I did temporarily disconnect my username from my url in my profile after I received the anti-feminist hate mail sent to the email address on my blog(s). But when the power came on back on 8 hours later I checked my email again and found I had 17 emails that were a complete contrast as they were

    (1) thanking me for all the help I give on the forum and for the helpful posts in my blog;
    (2) saying they thought my sense of humor was very funny;
    (3) saying offset was an idiot and liar (a successful businessman up at 3 AM personally attacking someone he didn’t even know on the wordpress forum – get real!);
    (4) saying offset was an ignorant chauvanist pig, who was just triggered by what I said to Judy (the artpromoter’s wife) in jest, “Pat him on the butt, give him an apron …”
    (5) saying they didn’t want wordpress.com to become commercial and that one link was enough (except for three people thought that a second one on the About page would be okay too);
    (6) saying the only reason artpromoter had a wordpress.com blog was just to send their website traffic and this intent was evidenced by the link in every post (11 people said this);
    (7) saying that when artpromoter removed the link at the end of each post and replaced it with a snotty attack on wordpress for having to remove the link that artpromoter became a dog in the manager;
    (8) saying that I shouldn’t give-in to assholes like artpromoter and offset;
    (9) saying it was cool to have a non geeky non techy girl working on the forum with drmike.

    Thank you for your kind words. I’m cool with letting this thread die. I’m living on borrowed time and I’m putting the time I have left to good use here doing the very best I can to help. The other three can’t make that claim.

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