Did You notice This?

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  • #684653

    I have to say that I find the WordPress tag system perplexing.

    Having tags linking only to content in the same blog seems fairly logical to me. Its the global tags that look to be a bit of a mess.

    Using the Ry Cooder example I typed Ry Cooder in the Tag search on the WordPress homepage.

    It took me to a page which said that there were not any posts relating to this search. It had this address

    http://en.wordpress.com/tag/ry%20cooder/

    To my mind this shouldnt be happening.

    #684654

    suebarnett
    Member

    lettersfromlancashire, no it shouldn’t. Take out the % sign and the “20” and replace them with a hyphen (a dash, one of these -).

    Why do you think the global tags are a bit of a mess. Is it just because of this example?

    #684655

    beaufortjazz
    Member

    Suebarnett

    Surely the search box on the WordPress homepage should actually search?

    If I type in Ry Cooder – I want to find content on Ry Cooder – not go to a page which says that there is no content where you then have to manually tweak the address to get the search results.

    As I said – perplexing.

    #684656

    suebarnett
    Member

    Here you are:

    http://en.wordpress.com/tag/ry-cooder/

    I just looked it up and there are plenty of posts. I’ve been faced with the same page as you were sometimes. I didn’t analyse the address. I just tried again a couple of times and eventually got there.

    But for the subject, having both options of a local and global tag search on the same blog, I reiterate, is a good option for everyone except those who want to keep people locked into their own blog.

    To date, while I have been using the site, I think (it’s a while since I did it) that a local serch is a widget option. If you fear confusion, you can always change the text on the widget to make its function absolutely clear and, if you want to, dedicate your own page to explaining the various navigation functions in your blog, and your rationale for having them. Undoubtedly there are people that would matter to, if you wanted to accommodate them.

    #684657

    suebarnett
    Member

    Point taken, Beaufortjazz. I agree. This forum subject in itself has been helpful for me in highlighting these problems. I have often been faced with the same confusion and frustration with that particular search facility. So I have tended to get stuck in my own tag subjects.

    #684658

    suebarnett
    Member

    Or a further thought, perhaps a global search option could be available as a widget option instead? If this change is permanent. I definitely want to be able to do a global search from my own blog functions, and the quickest way is to be able to click your own tags. Sometimes, artistic, meditative soul that I am, I am just gazing aimlessly at the page and something will catch my attention and I can just click on the link. An further action would change my mood and mindset. Having to produce rather than browse, having to produce ANYTHING, even a search term.

    #684659

    sandysays1
    Member

    I can see by reviewing this comment stream I lack the expertise that most of you have. What I do share is the frustration. The change made to the system is confusion and this has been compounded by my inability to contact support through “normal” wordpress request thread. I’m not sure what benefits will accrue to we users. I am sure that changes that are made to the system should be better publicised. I’ve been a wordpress user since June ’08. I’m not a spamer nor is my content offensive. Yet it appeared to me my blog was removed from publication because I couldn’t access the tag global in the way I have since the beginning. Also I’ve learned that there is a “five or ten” tag limit. I missed the announcement or it didn’t register. I’m fine with adhering to the rules but I would like to get a response. I certainly would help folks who are less tchnologicaly adept. Are these changes likely to be permanent?

    #684660

    suebarnett
    Member

    TBH I don’t like the tag limit. When I tag I think laterally and creatively rather than in a targeted way. I’m not a company, I’m not selling anything, I don’t have a ‘target’ reader and I like to brainstorm and use all the tags I think relevant.

    I can understand, perhaps, that people who think their posts might be more important for their livelihood or whatever, might object to being ‘pushed’ down a page by something they can’t see any relevance to, but since WordPress is not exclusively an organ promoting commercially-motivated blogs I don’t like the limitation, especially as I think my own blog is important and I see a relevance in my own tagging, if only for provoking thought, and I think it is wrong for people to tell me I am doing something wrong if I use more than the number of tags they have agreed on as acceptable and call me a spammer.

    And my tags are for my own thought-processes later, as much as for anyone else, and I think that is good and a good and creative way to work. I can’t see what is wrong with that, if I am doing it intelligently, as I believe, and don’t think it should be made, as it is made, to be generally considered a sin. People can scroll past what they believe to be irrelevant. They might be wrong and it doesn’t harm them.

    Where it does no harm, openness, not limitation and vilification, is what I say.

    #684661

    mmadfan
    Member

    I hope that the change is permanent. If I want to find other wp.com blogs blogging on the same subject as mine, as a wp.com user, I know how to find them using the global tags pages. The vast majority of my readers are not wp.com users. They come to my blog for its content, not because I use the wp.com platform (which I do love, btw, even if there are some things that I’m not so fond of), and not in order to click away from my blog to a global tags page. People who are visiting my blog may want to find other posts that I’ve written on a specific topic, and so they naturally click on a tag. Rather than being directed to an index page with other posts of mine, they were brought to a wp.com page with an entirely different look and feel from my site, and with links to posts on other blogs that they might or might not find interesting. The jump to the global tag page also took them completely away from my site, rather than opening the page in a new window.

    I have a blogroll and I have a list of related links, plus some links pages, that can bring my readers to other sites that they may find of interest. I am happy to have readers find other content on the web that may interest them, but it’s counterintuitive for most readers to click on one of my tags and be brought to the global tags page.

    #684662

    mmadfan
    Member

    suebarnett said, “Or a further thought, perhaps a global search option could be available as a widget option instead?”

    I think that’s an excellent idea.

    #684663

    suebarnett
    Member

    Hi, mmad fan, thanks for your imput.

    I, however, maintain that if, as you yourself, suggest, you readers MIGHT, as well as might NOT find other bloggers on the subject interesting, both options, global and local, on the same blog, is better than no choice.

    I’m not sure if you can sort out the ‘new page’ problem in settings. I would find it counter-intuitive to believe that you cannot.

    And again, I want the CHOICE for my own sake, as well as anyone else’s.

    Please don’t pull me up on caps in this comment. I realise now it would have been as easy to make the words ‘strong’ rather than capitalise them, but I am tired and I didn’t think and now I can’t be bothered to go back and change it all. Knowing you are being stalked makes you appear ridiculous, and feel ridiculous, in some of your choices.

    #684664

    suebarnett
    Member

    mmadfan said:

    suebarnett said, “Or a further thought, perhaps a global search option could be available as a widget option instead?”

    I think that’s an excellent idea.

    I don;t think it is excellent, I think it is inferior to what we had, but it is better than nothing.

    Even better, now the change has happened, would be if we could choose between 4 options in our own personal settings:

    1. Tags global

    2. Tags local

    3. Search widget global

    4. Search widget local

    And/Or 5:

    Give the choice to the reader for themselves by something similar to the translation button some websites offer between the site’s language and another. If that choice could all be about the tagging there would ne no need for a widget, and the blog owner could have the choice fixed in their own personal settings, and as a reader choose another option if they wanted to.

    I think that is the perfect solution and that it will be used, and I hope I will be paid for my idea! If it hasn’t already been thought of, maybe someone needs to patent it!

    #684665

    mmadfan
    Member

    Choice is a good thing!

    #684666

    suebarnett
    Member

    The choice button for the reader could be an optional widget.

    #684667

    suebarnett
    Member

    If people really want to lock people into their site.

    #684668

    suebarnett
    Member

    Actually keep the search widget, even if the global/local choice is attached to the tagging. That allows something to be entered which isn’t in the tagging, and the reader could be given the same choice, which operates independently of the blogger’s choice fixed in their settings.

    #684669

    suebarnett
    Member

    Or not given a choice, if you want to lock them in. But then, as they read other blogs where a choice was given, if you didn’t give a choice you might later be perceived to be a bit restrictive, which some people would mind and others might not feel important.

    #684670

    mmadfan
    Member

    ??? Seems rather a strong judgment there.

    #684671

    suebarnett
    Member

    mmadfan on 2 ends of his own seesaw! Fan and critic!

    May I refer you to my latest blog post, posted today?

    I’m trying to give options and you are criticiisng me for doing so!

    I’ve noticed that McDonald’s and Burger King, for instance, openly say in their advertising that they are better than each other, by name. How much is in earnest and how much is friendly, humorous competition (everyone knows that all publicity is good, if you are a business. When I saw those adverts against a company I preferred anyway, it kept the other business in my mind, not that that was necessary. When I ate meat burgers etc.

    So if they can refer to each other that way, what is wrong with giving people an out option on your blog? Why not co-operate rather than compete? Let the readers decide if they want to lock themselves in, and when they want to move about freely with you as a launching pad. How can that hurt you, imaginary jailor?

    :-)

    #684672

    suebarnett
    Member

    Oh, there’s a sticky post on tag searches in the way!

    Here you are!

    It’s called “100%, Consistent Love and Complementary Proteins”.

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