eliminating porn blogs from top posts, top blogs, fastest growing blogs

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  • #23450

    bloglily
    Member

    Hello Timethief– Thank you; that’s an admirable and succinct summary. It’s hard to believe you’ve only owned a computer for a short time — this is a good tool for you!

    Just one word of explanation and clarification. Michael and I write for a site called Best Blog — WordPress links to it at the bottom of the WordPress front page, beneath the top blogs and growing blogs tabs. That’s the site I’m referring to.

    Last night, Dr. Mike mentioned this interesting discussion and, from his description of it, I was under the impression that perhaps the Best Blog site had played an indavertent role in offending someone. That not being at all our intention, I wanted to clarify what we do.

    I do see now that you are referring to the automatic listing of sites that takes place on top blogs and posts and growing blogs. Thank you so much for pointing out that I’ve misunderstood you — it’s heartening to see that people who might disagree with each other can still be courteous and respectful. Kudos to you and everyone else participating in this discussion.

    Best, BL

    #23451

    naxos
    Member

    I want to give my opinion (sorry about my broken english):

    I think that porn is inevitable: in the 19th century -what was consider as- “porn” (a woman with a spread leg) was the main carrier to promote and expand the use a new technology: the photography. Porn is something that is still doing that nasty job, otherwise internet woulnot be as popular as it is.

    Without porn internet would be something useful only to a bunch of bored nerds. If intenet is what is know is because porn is ment to open the spaces where the eye must take a view, and lecture us to learn how to view it, and lately, to use that space in a practical and conceptual sense.

    Here, in wp is not the exception.

    #23455

    timethief
    Member

    @bloglily
    Is this the slink to the site of the blog you are referring to? http://bestblog.wordpress.com/.

    Can you provide the link to drmike’s contribution to the discussion from last night please if you are referring to something he said somewhere else as opposed to in this thread?

    Thanks for your compliment on my computing and summarization skills. It’s always good to receive a compliment.:)

    I also too appreciate the respectful tenor and tone of the dialogue being conducted here.

    #23461

    bloglily
    Member

    Hey Timethief — His post was just a shoutout to bestblog, letting us know that we’ve been mentioned in some of the forums, without linking to any forum in particular or commenting on the content of any particular discussion. I went to the comments boards and thought it might be this discussion. It was just a guess, and it turns out I was wrong! Anyway, I’m glad I made it over here, because it’s a very interesting discussion. And yes, that’s the right link. Best, BL

    #23465

    timethief
    Member

    @naxos
    Thank you for entering the discussion.

    I take issue with your statement: “Without porn internet would be something useful only to a bunch of bored nerds.”

    I am not bored nor am I boring. I’m most certainly not a nerd. And it is my well considered opinion that the internet can be used for a multitude of purposes other than providing sexual material for voyeuristic viewing. In fact the vast amount of material other than pornography which is currently available on the net proves my point.

    If, however, you think the ONLY USEFUL PURPOSE the internet serves to provide opportunities to view photographic close-ups of female gentalia then I assume you don’t have access to the views of the real thing in your own life. That’s too bad.

    I recognize your right to hold an opinion different from my own.

    It is my opinion that the use of the internet is fueling a steady increase in distribution of pornography, providing a base for the escalation of the global sex trade and the insidious normalization of misogynistc and dehumanizing attitudes and behaviours.

    The sex industry, previously considered marginal, has come to occupy a strategic and central position in the development of international capitalism. For this reason it is increasingly taking on the guise of an ordinary sector of the economy and hence the internet.

    It is my belief that under the banner of “freedom from censorship” misogyny, dehumanizing attitudes and behaviours that cheapen sex are robbing our youth of their childhood innocence. I find this loss to be regrettable.

    I believe the internet can be used as a powerful tool to re-instill sensitivity, respect and compassion for our fellow human beings, most, particularly, in our youth. I would like to see young people look forward to loving, satifying and lasting sexual relationships in their adult lives. Thus I would like to see those who feel the same way provide a balance to the powerful porn lobby on the internet. I don’t believe this is currently what is going on.

    It’s too bad that you feel the only useful purpose of the internet is for porn. But I know from the deluge of private email I’m getting at (email redacted) that there are many others who do not share this point of view so this is what gives me the strength to keep stating my case. I’m sure you noticed I previously indicated I was okay with letting this thread die. Others urged me not to.

    IMO porno blogs and porno posts depicting images of humans involved in sexual activity ought not to be considered appropriate candidates for the “top” postings and “top” blogs categories on WordPress.

    #23467

    bloglily
    Member

    Timethief — I’ve got to run but I wanted to say that I so completely agree with you on this: “I believe the internet can be used as a powerful tool to re-instill sensitivity, respect and compassion for our fellow human beings, most, particularly, in our youth.” Well said. Best, BL

    #23506

    wank
    Member

    I kind of see one part of naxos’s argument, which is that pornography frequently fuels widespread adoption of a new technology. He cites photography; videotape is another example. So it’s only to be expected that as blogging moves into the mainstream, porn is going to be in the vanguard of that movement. I don’t like it, but it’s a sign that the medium itself is flourishing.

    I wonder how many bloggers reproducing pornographic images have the right to use those pictures, though? Porn being the lucrative industry it is, I can’t imagine many sites releasing their archives under a licence that lets others republish for free.

    #23509

    naxos
    Member

    Timethief, i was pointing to something rather different of what you understood. Wank caught it perfectly. I was never talking about you. I do not attemp to take a counterposition about what you are definding, i am not that kind of person. But neither to take your statements. Porn is the carrier of todays visualities: an antipode that gives the chance to express images beyond all retentions. Your are critizicing something rather diferent than porn: your are against its effects. But this is another issue….

    #23512

    timethief
    Member

    Ahh, yes. I’m glad wank helped conveywhat you were actually saying to me and I’m glad that you came back to clarify and confirm. Thank you for doing so.:)

    #23515

    geminianeyes
    Member

    Here’s a thought (and one that I might get shot for)

    How adding an option:

    Creating an option within wordpress that catalogues the Adult/Mature blogs, and allowing the users themselves to select “View Adult/Mature” blogs as a separate category? As in when they view the top posts/blogs, they’d see two categories. That way, those who want to view such blogs can do so, and those who don’t don’t have to. Make this apply to “Next blogs” as well.

    I hope that made sense.

    #23516

    timethief
    Member

    @bloglily
    Having read the comments here at http://bloglily.wordpress.com/2006/08/02/the-great-internet-porn-debate/ dated today and I’m now shaking my head. It’s obvious to me that those commenting on your blog ought to have had the benefit of reading the whole thread from my post https://coyotes.wordpress.com/2006/07/29/porno-blogs-fuel-the-global-sex-trade/
    which marked the beginning to the thread I posted here on the forum.

    Moreover, I am deeply disappointed that my post which led to this whole discussion has not been linked to your article but a completed unrelated blog has been linked to it. It was this post which I wrote at https://coyotes.wordpress.com/2006/07/29/porno-blogs-fuel-the-global-sex-trade/
    and the reaction to it that led me to start the thread here on the forum and yet there is no mention of it in your blog article nor is there a link to my name.

    I am offended that you have chosen not to follow blogging protocol and instead chose to perform what amounts to a rip off.

    But I am even more offended that you tried to tie this rip off to yourself and to the completely unrelated Best Blogs where you write a weekly post and linked that blog to your article rather than mine.

    Why oh why did you write an article on your own blog without credit to mine instead of allowing the discussion to proceed here?

    #23517

    From good comes evil and from evil comes good

    From spam comes porn and from porn comes spam

    Wait … that doesn’t make sense

    #23518

    timethief
    Member

    @trends
    I’ll nuke the spammers and where is that rocket launcher for you to use?

    #23529

    bloglily
    Member

    Dear Timethief,

    I’m sincerely sorry if the way I’ve chosen to bring this issue to the attention of the people who read my blog offended you. People all over the internet should be talking about this issue. It is in no way a theft or an insult to discuss issues like this in more than one forum. If anything, it’s a compliment to you that you’ve got people talking about this.

    As for attribution, my post links twice to this thread for the benefit of interested readers. It didn’t occur to me to link to anything else because it was this thread that got me thinking about this issue.

    I was glad to see this discussion here: it’s one that concerns me and a great many other people, and it has been helpful and interesting to hear what people have to say about it. As I said, I was under the impression that perhaps the other blog I write for might have offended someone and that’s why I came over here to check things out. I’m glad that wasn’t the case.

    Just so you know, I won’t be returning to this thread. I’ve enjoyed finding out what people think about this issue, but it’s time for me to move on to other things: I’ve got kids to raise and a job to hold down.

    Good luck to you. I wish you well in bringing about meaningful change around this issue.

    Best, BL

    #23530

    @ coyote and anyone interested:

    generally, when someone posts something related to your own post without linkin to it, the best plan is to either

    a) write a new post, linking both your original post and their response, or
    b) if your post is still your most current, you can just post an update to the original.

    your post will show up as a comment on their post, and drag the discussion back to you.

    matt and scoble do this _all the time_ cos it works.

    #23535

    Did not know this post, therefore find again to have to answer to timethief,have already done it on some post (http://dariosalvelli.wordpress.com/2006/08/01/internet-is-for/ and http://dariosalvelli.wordpress.com/2006/07/03/porno-tube-a-youtube-for-hard/. )
    How the readers of my blog know,i talk about ICT world,the internet tendencies and the developments of the sector,how Robert Scoble,Techcrunch,Digg do: I am often present in the blog wordpress top without having never done nothing special,only write my thoughts, reflections, articles on Internet world. I am really sorry for this thread,but i am happy if this misunderstanding is served to the new feature in the dashboard about the link “report mature” that allow you to signal if a blog is for adult,it is not for sure my case: i always especially appreciate the criticisms when they are constructive.

    #23538

    timethief
    Member

    My thanks to everyone who contributed to the discussion in this thread. I think it’s a tribute to wordpress bloggers that we were able to articulate our varying viewpoints without rancour. I’m pleased that sysadmin (thanks andy, matt et al) were so remarkably responsive in providing us with a new reporting tool. I also think it’s fitting that dario’s submission is the penultimate one in this thread which I consider to be resolved as we have come full circle on this topic. Thanks again. TT

    #23539

    timethief
    Member

    Resolved

    #23541

    drmike
    Member

    Interesting read on what one person’s defination of mature content is.

    Just to throw it in there. :)

    #23542

    timethief
    Member

    AHHH okay so I read the definition – “I want to clarify my definition of mature content… it’s “shut-up and think”. You don’t shut-up and think when you watch the Texas Chainsaw Massacre or Showgirls, but you do when you watch Crash.”

    (1) I didn’t watch any of the movies cited.
    (2) And I don’t THINK anything other than “EEEOOOWW I’m out of here” when I see images of people involved in sexual behaviour on blogs.
    (3) Obviously the internet cannot be censored and people will fiercely protect whatever territory they cut out of it or insert into it. From sex and absue as well as movies of actual rapes, snuff movies to games based on sex, rape and murder. This fails to impress me.
    (4) The advent of animated games for people who want to experiment sexually on a keyboard with an animated fantasy partner strikes me as truly pathetic.

    Do you want this thread to continue? I don’t. I have no further interest in it and was suprised that you added to it.
    Resolved

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