Google Pagerank

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  • #53237

    raincoaster
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    Can someone explain why my old blog address, raincoaster.wordpress.com, had a pagerank of 6 and the new one, which is almost back to the same ranking on Technorati as before the change (and which has gotten some heavy-duty links, like BoingBoing) and which googles even higher than the old one if you test it, has a pagerank of zero?

    PS: putting it in this forum as it is not a WordPress issue, it’s a Google issue.

    #53371

    timethief
    Member

    Most people believe that the higher your Google Page Rank, the higher you’ll be in the search results listing. Yes pages and or sites with a higher page rank seem to rank better than those sites that do not have a page rank, but don’t be fooled the site without a page rank might have a higher ranking but Google has not updated its page rank on the tool bar, Google usually updates 4 times a year. The only thought on most peoples minds if they own a website is how do increase traffic and how do I get a higher page rank. by David Fishman

    http://internet-offline.blogspot.com/2007/01/webmasters-are-obsessing-over-page-rank.html

    Google PageRank Explained by Google Staff
    PageRank relies on the uniquely democratic nature of the web by using its vast link structure as an indicator of an individual page’s value. In essence, Google interprets a link from page A to page B as a vote, by page A, for page B. But, Google looks at more than the sheer volume of votes, or links a page receives; it also analyzes the page that casts the vote. Votes cast by pages that are themselves “important” weigh more heavily and help to make other pages “important.”

    Important, high-quality sites receive a higher PageRank, which Google remembers each time it conducts a search. Of course, important pages mean nothing to you if they don’t match your query. So, Google combines PageRank with sophisticated text-matching techniques to find pages that are both important and relevant to your search. Google goes far beyond the number of times a term appears on a page and examines all aspects of the page’s content (and the content of the pages linking to it) to determine if it’s a good match for your query.

    http://www.google.com/technology/

    See also:
    Update: A few people were seeing PageRank 0 for their site. There was a small auxiliary push that needed to happen to complement the PageRank push, and that push happened a few hours ago (i.e. Jan 11, 2007). If you were getting stressed, you might want to re-check now. If you never even noticed, well, good for you. :) http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/infrastructure-status-january-2007/

    SEO page rank
    http://www.seologs.com/pr-check/fullpage-pr.html

    #53398

    raincoaster
    Member

    Thanks, I have read those and everything in them seems to indicate to me that my page rank should be well above zero. The blog has been at that URL for over a quarter, and I’ve gotten linked to by far more high-profile sites. I still cannot find the answer to the question, and there’s additional weirdness in that my old domain rank has gone down to zero as well, despite doing nearly as well on Technorati and formerly having a PR of 6.

    Any suggestions?

    #53401

    raincoaster
    Member

    I’m wondering if this might have something to do with it?
    Not all links are counted by Google. For instance, they filter out links from known link farms. Some links can cause a site to be penalized by Google. They rightly figure that webmasters cannot control which sites link to their sites, but they can control which sites they link out to. For this reason, links into a site cannot harm the site, but links from a site can be harmful if they link to penalized sites. So be careful which sites you link to. If a site has PR0, it is usually a penalty, and it would be unwise to link to it…
    Whilst I thoroughly recommend creating and adding new pages to increase a site’s total PageRank so that it can be channeled to specific pages, there are certain types of pages that should not be added. These are pages that are all identical or very nearly identical and are known as cookie-cutters. Google considers them to be spam and they can trigger an alarm that causes the pages, and possibly the entire site, to be penalized.

    Is it possible I’ve been spam-listed, possibly because of the two URLs still being live and pinging? How would one check that?

    #53423

    drmike
    Member

    Did your new domain every have a PR assigned to it?

    Google just did another reload and there appears to be issues with it. I’ve got a number of sites, including my own, who now have PR0’s. Donncha’s own site dropped from a 7 to a 5. He talks about it here.

    #53426

    raincoaster
    Member

    My new domain has never had a PR anything but Zero that I have seen. It was that way on October 12 when I checked, and it’s exactly the same now. It should register as something by now; in fact, it should be doing better than the old one, because of the heavy-duty sites that I got linked from lately.

    And I’m doing phenominally well on Google itself. The actual searches turn my blog up on the front page or even top three quite often. I outrank sites that I linked to in my blog posts, even when they’re ABC News.

    #53430

    drmike
    Member

    They may have not assigned new PR’s this time around. They’ve done that in the past. I know it took a couple of updated to get tdjc.be assigned.

    I still see my sites listed in their index. I have no idea what went on this time around. Rather annoying.

    #53431

    raincoaster
    Member

    Eight months? Well, thanks for the warning. I guess there’s no point having a sense of urgency about it.

    #53434

    drmike
    Member

    I think it was more like six months for me.

    Also remembewr that it’s been stated that Google keeps an internal PR for sites and displays a snapshot for a public PR. If you’re being listed in searches, you have a PR. It’s just that Google hasn’t made a public release of it.

    #53437

    raincoaster
    Member

    What do I have to do to make them put out for me? (not the first or, I’m sure, the last time I will ask that question)

    #53462

    andypiper
    Member

    I had a massive drop in traffic yesterday. Overnight I went from ~1000 hits/day to less than 300. The search traffic is now at a trickle.

    I conclude that some PageRank change has happened within the past 48 hours. My site is still in the index, but barely anything comes up in a Google search for the old “common hits”. I’m not aware of having done anything “naughty”.

    Shame that I can’t go through the verification steps for the Google Webmaster Tools, since I can’t upload a static HTML file or alter the META tags :-(

    #53662

    nosysnoop
    Member

    andypiper, did you buy a domain name? Because getting that makes you start over from the beginning. That’s why I don’t buy one because I may not have the traffic but I have the pagerank over any other entertainment site for some unknown reason.

    Edit: Just checked Perez Hilton and we have the same now. Damn!

    #53681

    engtech
    Member

    Sounds like it’s the Google Sandbox.

    http://www.seomoz.org/articles/google-sandbox-analysis.php

    #53692

    raincoaster
    Member

    Thanks for that, engtech. Insofar as I could follow what they were saying, it does appear that I at least fall into that group. At least this bit is heartening:

    The sandbox has also been observed to typically release sites into “normal” rankings en masse, which is to say that there have been virtually no examples of a single site “escaping” by itself. It appears that certain updates in Google’s search engine release many sites all at once. Speculation about this centers around Google wishing to avoid the appearance of manually reviewing sites one by one, although other reasons have been proposed as well.

    Although this advice is scary:

    One of the most common elements suspected for sandboxing completely”natural” sites is their addition to blogrolls. These links are sitewides on URLs that frequently have many thousands of pages in Google’s index and it appears on the surface that they can cause the link problems that lead to sandboxing. The best way to avoid this is to watch your logs for referring URLs and request to be removed from any blogrolls that are sent to you. With some luck, the sympathetic blogger will understand and remove you. It seems ridiculous to have to go to these extents to avoid sandboxing, but in the commercial reality of the web, it may, in fact, help you in both the short and long run. Naturally, if you aren’t running a blog on your site, it’s much easier to “stay off the rolls”, but you also miss inclusion in great blog directories and traffic sources that can earn you high quality links (i.e. Technorati, Blogwise, etc).

    #53701

    raincoaster
    Member

    And POOF! Just like that I’m at PR 5! Thank you all for your patience. I will now go back to whining about stats…

    #53706

    drmike
    Member

    Must be nice. :(

    If anyone is interested, they can do a PR lookup with a long list of Google servers here.

    edit: Oh, lookie. I’ve got a 6. :)

    A warm thought as I walk home in 30 degree weather.

    #53709

    raincoaster
    Member

    What does “Google Backlinks” mean on that? Mine is zero.

    See, they must have done something in the last 12 hours. When in doubt, complain in the forum; the single most effective technique I’ve ever found for solving problems.

    Now, about my love life…

    #53712

    drmike
    Member

    Now, about my love life…

    Mine’s worse. Don’t get me started.

    wp.com and wp.org have 9’s. Must be nice.

    #53758

    andypiper
    Member

    nosysnoop: yes, I recently got WP looking after my domain, although currently it is redirecting andypiper.co.uk onto andypiper.wp.com and not the other way around. Also I did previously own that domain, but the redirect was handled by the UK2.net servers instead of WP.com – not sure why this would suddenly cause this change.

    Secondly, a search on my name on google.com doesn’t cause my blog to show up, but on google.co.uk it is the #1 hit (which it was on .com until Tuesday night). According to that PR tool that drmike mentions, I’m at PR6 – just not showing up in any searches for any of the strings that was bringing in ~300-400 hits per day prior to Tuesday.

    #53764

    engtech
    Member

    hey, I’m up to PR 6 now too.

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