Has anyone ever been sued over a wordpress.com blog?
Copyright laws are international somehow. So I have also made it clear in my blog that ‘NO MEDIA or whomever should carry MY CGPs and articles elsewhere WITHOUT my permission’. And someone did at this hardwarezone forum.
I could have sued them, but… is there really a need?
Nowadays, the court has become a tool for the devils because no one reasons anymore.
But people must understand that while your original blogging of articles are not international legislated, hence no single state actually has the right to hold you liable, the copyright laws is internationally coherent (sort of), which makes it an international basis to make a legal case valid. Which is, you people must be very very careful on copyright issues. I have discussed this before here and in my blog.
I know many bloggers ain’t aware about legal issues from an international point of view… Don’t be ashame because even in Singapore, our courts may not understand as well.
Just remember, a case needing a judgement must be based on legitimate concern, and this legitimacy in contents of which basis be formed when stretched beyond a soverignty will render a court powerless in making sense with justice.
In Singapore, chewing gums is ILLGEGAL. In USA… is chewing gum illegal? Can you promote chewing gums via internet in Singapore? You are promoting an offence in Singapore… but that doesn’t mean you can’t promote chewing gums via internet, BECAUSE other sovereign states have chewing gum legalised! Got it?
So… still, anyone has any unclear issue here can come to my blog and discuss.
Umm.. we’re already discussing it here, right?
Anyone who doesn’t know how copyright law can apply internationally should look up the word “treaty” in google.
“If the blog is factually wrong, cites anonymous sources for allegations or is actually defamatory, or reveals confidential information then the blog would either be suspended or editing would be needed. The burden of proof would almost certainly be on the blogger because they are the ones writing it.”
Shouldn’t the burden of proof be on the accuser? Innocent until proven guilty, and all that. . .
Is that a moral question or a legal one? It would depend on whether it were a civil suit, a criminal charge, or a request to take down the blog.
Free speech is fine.
Breaking the law or if we are unsure then legal advice is needed.
Yes the burden of proof should be on the blogger.
Yes the burden of proof should be on the accuser.
Go blog today that I have a secret child with another woman. Tell people you know this for a fact, you have several sources and you’d say so in court.
Now you can tell Support here this is true, I can say it is not.
Who do we believe?
And no we can’t be asking for documets – that would be silly.
Now change that to financial issues, political track records, company employment, reputation, family disputes and it gets far more complex. It is not our place to decide the law. I see what I do in part as being what is clearly NOT law, as trying to a limited extent to get people to sort it out amicably.
No internet laws on blogging. Judge that by country, they are catching up fast. There is probably nothing illegal in some countries for uploading images of scantily clad ladies. We don’t mind but if people in their country find out then laws or no laws they will be punished. Right now we have one blog generating a very large number of complaints. It will not be shut down because it does not break the Terms of Service but if the blogger were discovered in their country (because we would say nothing) then I have no doubt they would be severely punished.
We have people here who use the Terms of Service because the blog they complain about is against the law where they live yet they also want to publish their words here because it’s inside the Terms of Service. Can’t have it both ways surely?
In the end you cannot use the Terms of Service to hide from the law.
We have 10 million+ blogs and a very tiny number of complaints that are found valid. Please don’t get this out of proportion.
No. All it needs is a bully with a small-people dirty undertable attitude. What moral has it got to do with another’s blogging?
I am not sure which blog you are refering to, and as everyone’d, hopefully it’s not my blog.
But strictly adhering to the principles of laws, no single state does have the legitimate sovereign concern to claim full legitimacy of cyberspace, hence blogging… That includes China. I don’t expect Obama will surrender to China if any of his aides get too hawkish and China wants them shot.
In real, there is really no laws for internet, since no one, not even UN has a claim on this ‘open seas’. The offence is always on the activities, not on the people. In proper legal procedings, aka evidence… which is in cybersapce. As gambling and not the gambler is in the open seas.
I understand what you are saying. Since I studied International Relations, it’s still realistically speaking, the ‘authorities’ who got what powers. All I am saying is in real there is no laws for cyberspace as copyright laws would internationally, and especially when everyone of us bloggers don’t unite together and get the message through to the people around the world.
I am in Singapore, and China, and Malaysia, but as a blogger, I am in cyberspace… since any merit or offence would be a ‘vice’ or celebration online.
As I have said, the USA ‘can’ ignore the UN charters, but <b>that doesn’t mean they are legitimate</b> in executing that foreigner or in just invading another sovereign states. I don’t mean to agitate any Bush’s supporters here, but… we have to put things in perspective.
There are many ‘imps’ around cyberspace but… we have to be professional here.
I think it’s not hiding away from the laws, but hiding away from those bullies who thought they can muscle their way in WordPress. Really, what laws can be applicable? So it ends up in Singapore that lawyers are resorting to publication laws… of Singapore to deal possibly deal with bloggers. Especially now, many crooked operators who have given problems to consumers, they are trying to silence those consumers even by legal threats.
It’s really fortunate that Mark’s the one behind WordPress.
But the… for the case of simply bullyings, it’s never amicable. We have cases in Malaysia, and how would those politicians be intending to be ‘amicable’ to those bloggers who’d expose those issues? The point is, in Southeast Asia, we all know about ‘force’ of the authorities, inspite of also knowing the real legitimacy of legislation, especially for those in Singapore.
In China, laws are like this… just come up with some ‘offences’ then you send in the police and tear down people’s houses for profits… … This is how these counties are ‘catching up’ on laws. Situation in the USA may be drastic, but… at least with the massive varieties of groups to fight for values, there will be movement groups to count on.
Frankly speaking, we are not really talking about laws here since there is really no laws to begin with. Because even without laws, if you blog and someone powerful is unhappy, you can still go to jail for your blogging perhaps because you ‘pee on the streets’.
There is nothing factually right or wrong in blogging, lest you are operating a online tabloid or official site for official business.
My 2cts, folks.
And toasts to all those troublemakers of our blogs.
The issue is, I am not always here. So if anyone has anything to reasonably discuss on this issue, my blog is always open.
It’s real nice to be part of this wonderful community.
Laws… There is little need for laws if those keepers are demons. All the more why I studied those silly laws. It’s no wonder Robin Hood was celebrated for being a nasty outlaw. LOL~
If so, let us be the Merry Men of WordPress.com. LOLLL~
“In real, there is really no laws for internet, since no one, not even UN has a claim on this ‘open seas’. “
The claim is based on where the servers are. Even The Pirate Bay fell victim to that.
“Laws… There is little need for laws if those keepers are demons. “
Who decides who are the keepers and who decides they are demons and why?
I’m not starting a discussion, just illustrating that each side will say they are right – and lawyers can decide that. If someone then has a problem with who the lawyers are I’d suggest that they either (1) move country or (2) get a grip on reality.
Bottom line is keep your nose clean, protect your works with copyright, make it visible and easy to locate for any readers, and do not incorporate libel or slander in anything you do. There is no reason you should ever get sued if you are following the basic laws.
IMO people delve too far into this kind of subject when the solution to any and all problems would be an easy one… this one, to cover your six and give credit where it’s due and not where it’s not…
The claim is on where the server is based on when the server is in concern. Which is, if you are attacking people’s credit card accounts in USA, your server in USA will be liable.
But when it comes to blogging, it’s not a direct server or operator legal issue.
Which is, if you were wholeselling musics without license, you’d be liable. However, if I am blogging, and Mr Lee Kuan Yew is angry with you for hosting a server in Singapore, all you need to do is to close down the server and maintain the host in North Pole. ^.^ I don’t know about Pirate Bay, but I believe they do deal with pirated Copyrights.
Hence in such cases, I usually advocate hosts with capabilities to locate their servers and offices overseas. Even I myself am reluctant to have my money deposited in Singapore or lands which will remit monies back to Singapore. Hence I am very poor in Singapore, and pretty lavish living overseas… LOL~
As for the second part… That’s what I am saying.
By is, as in Singapore’s saying: By right it is like that, by left ends up like this. LOL~
I did a simple check at Baidu about ‘Pirate Bay’. Mark, it deals with selling copyrights not belonging to it, it’d be liable anywhere with UN registered states. It’s not the same as blogging host. ^.^
Perhaps I should give a talk in the States on this matter. It is a commonly misunderstood issue all over the world with the people on the streets. Laws are very very specific thing, when it is within a sovereign state, it’s very simple. When the issue is beyond the components of any single state, that’s where the problem comes.
For instance, if Pirate Bay sells my articles with my agreements, I can sue it even on Mars because its properties of mine anywhere in the human civilisation of this galaxy. If Pirate Bay publishes my articles in any part of the galaxy, this galaxy must be your properties to ban Pirate Bay and my articles. Can you see the difference here.
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