Hate Blog

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  • #54094

    ektaone
    Member

    Hi

    Does WordPress have a policy against dedicated hate and defamation blogs?

    Someones started a blog which is trying to bring someone down and is causing damage. The blog hasnt been logged into or updated for about 4 months either – its like theyve just gone, set up the blog because of their own personal issues and have either got bored and left it, or are doing it on purpose to bring the other down.

    Im all for freedom of speech but causing harm to someones rep without 100% concrete proof is just wrong.

    #54309

    raincoaster
    Member

    There’s no policy against personal opinion blogs, even if the personal opinion is that you hate somebody. If the subject of the blog wants to sue the writer of the blog for defamation, that’s also not a WordPress issue. WordPress is a carrier of information, not a provider, and the liability resides with the writer in this case, IF there is liability.

    “100% concrete proof” eh? Research has proven that about 85% of gossip is fact-based. True. It’s generally pretty obvious when someone is spreading rumours because of an agenda, and most people bring their own set of filters to interpret information anyway. I wouldn’t worry too much about a long-abandoned blog hurting someone’s reputation. The writer doesn’t have any authority in the minds of the readers who stumble across it; we’re all well aware that there are people out there who believe the world is flat, and who blog about it constantly, but we’re not about to convert to Flat Earth-ism based on a blog post.

    Do you require 100% proof before you say something positive about someone? We are all making our way in the world of information and misinformation but requiring solid proof of everything you say about anyone means that you probably won’t speak much at all.

    #54314

    ektaone
    Member

    yehh i can see what u mean raincoaster. but when its stuff that hurts someone and affects a lot of people including their family, its unfair really.

    #54315

    raincoaster
    Member

    That is why the law is in place. If the laws against defamation have been broken, the victim can take the defamer to court.

    #54320

    ag1024
    Member

    I 100 % agree with ektaone. There is freedom of speech, but then there is also bullying, which is particularly evil when the Internet is used to carry it out. Bullying is not accepted in schools, neither in the workplace, and it should not be accepted on blogs either.

    A blog can be selected as “spam”… I would consider a hate-blog against a person a kind of spam.

    Of course nobody would bring a blog owner to court for writing spreading evil rumours – that is a ridiculous suggestion. It would be insane to spend a huge amount of money to bring down a blog – But it can still hurt a person and his/her family a lot to be bullied on the Internet.

    #54324

    drmike
    Member

    Per the FAQ at the head of the forums and over in the FAQ blog (I’ve got to go somewhere so I can’t leave links. excuse me) still send in a report via feedback along with specific reasoning why you have a concern about it.

    It’s really a staff call that we shouldn’t be discussing here in the forums.

    Thanks by the way for not linking to the blog. :)

    #54335

    ektaone
    Member

    Thanks for the replies. So how does one go about reporting the blog to staff? I can see the “report” feature in wordpress but it only seems to be for spam or for mature content..

    #54336

    elpelos
    Member

    send and email to support at this domain

    #54345

    drmike
    Member

    Agreed. On the weekends, you can also send in feedback from the upper right of your dashboard.

    #54346

    timethief
    Member

    On weekend support:
    If you press the “feedback” button on the top right hand corner of your blog on weekends you will find that you cannot leave a message for staff. Instead this is what you get:

    Support Temporarily Closed
    Support is closed for the weekend. In the mean time, please feel free to browse the FAQ and the forums.

    On the issue:
    This is a censorship issue. Surely we do not desire wordpress/Automattic to become a censor. It is a common carrier just as an ISP or telephone company is a common carrier and we most certainly would not support them censoring us, now would we? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_carrier

    The bottom line is: If the alleged “defamed” party or parties is not prepared to take the defamer to court then no other party or parties is in a legal position to do anything about it.

    #54353

    drmike
    Member

    This why I don’t like discussing policy here in the forums.

    Friendly reminder that only employees of Automattic can offically state what is and is not policy around here. You’ll note that even when I do it, I usually put a disclaimer on what I say and request a staff member to offically state what is so. Did that a couple days ago when we had that poster asking about getting data on who their visitors were and who was pulling their feeds.

    Actually it’s not a censorship issue. wp.com is a private system that is open to the public and can allow or disallow anyone they so choose. It’s in the ToS. If it was not so, then all those spam blogs would have been allowed.

    *chuckle* Feedback sent with a request for a staff member to verify that since it’s a policy statement.

    #54355

    timethief
    Member

    @drmike
    *giggle* thanks for the correction
    and re: the spam policy verification – go for it ;)

    #54426

    raincoaster
    Member

    Hasn’t Matt already requested that if we have an issue with the content of a blog that is NOT literally spam, we not label it as Spam? And would it not be fair to ask someone complaining that a blog is defamatory to PROVE that the statements in the blog are false? This sounds like a HUGE can of worms.

    Also, it costs less than two hundred dollars to file a lawsuit. And people DO fight and win defamation suits, even when it’s about a blog. What you really want is not the money, presumably, but the blog to be taken down. No need for this to cost millions on either side.

    #54433

    ektaone
    Member

    Supports closed for yet another day :(

    #54469

    drmike
    Member

    ektaone, send in an email to support at this domain. The inbox is monitored although it still may not be looked into until Monday.

    Spam blogs are the only blogs that should be labeled as such. If anything, I would send in a mature report on it. Either that or the feedback.

    #54486

    ektaone
    Member

    Thanks Dr. Mike – There is hope yet :)

    I have emailed support(at)wordpress.com and I will pray they respond in kind

    #54801

    ektaone
    Member

    Hi

    Its been 6 months since i approached WordPress about this. I cant seem to get anything done.

    This is really malicious harrassment and if stuff like this isnt against WordPress policy, it should definitely be added. Someone has just created this damaging site which effects peoples livelihoods, and disappeared. The blog hasnt been updated since Sept 2006 (9 months) and i am not rich enough to start a lawsuit. Surely there must be something that can be done here? :’-(

    #54802

    raincoaster
    Member

    You can file a lawsuit for $130 yourself if you are unable to find an advocate to take on the case pro bono. All you really need is a lawyer to write a letter to WordPress, as the web host of the offending material. You don’t need to actually launch a suit unless that fails and you decide to take that course of action.

    #54803

    drmike
    Member

    We can’t help you here in the forums. Only ones who can is staff.

    Sorry.

    #54804

    ektaone
    Member

    Thanks Raincoaster

    Do you mean that the best thing to do first is to get a lawyer to write up an “official” letter to wordpress, who then may or may not remove dependant on the situation?

    Im in the UK and assume i can get it done here too. Any indication as to whether it might be enough to convince wordpress to have some compassion regarding this? :$

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