Is it proper to remove the credits of a CSS?

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  • #111572

    I have the theme Unsleepable set up, I love it, with the CSS upgrade I like to play around with it more. is it possible to remove the credits at the bottom of the page? with all respect and gratitude to Ben Gray for the Unsleepable theme.

    #111675

    judyb12
    Member

    why don’t you just make the font smaller or in a less obtrusive color? I don’t think it’s right to completely remove the credits.

    #111677

    raincoaster
    Member

    It’s very bad form. You can even get an email from the designer expressing outrage! They make the themes available to WordPress.com to offer bloggers partly because of those links; it’s a PR exercise.

    If people remove them, they might just not make their themes available to us in future.

    #111678

    andrew
    Member

    I agree. The theme designer deserves credit. In fact, I’ve used the CSS upgrade to make the credit more prominent (i.e. in the sidebar, rather than right at the foot of the page).

    #111684

    timethief
    Member

    I believe designers deserve credit for their work and their generosity. Removing the credit implies that one designed and coded the theme oneself. And, as observed above, removing credit may eventually result in removing the motivation to donate another theme. IMO credit to the designer of the theme and any who modify it should be placed in the footer.

    #111695

    drmike
    Member

    I agree that they should receive credit as well although some would think that just having it in the outputted HTML and not necessarily displayed in the browser as a link is good enough. The Open Source community goes both ways on teh subject. I believe Matt feels that the credit in the outputter html is fine while Francisco Burzi, the developer of PHPNuke actually wants a specificly worded credit and link in the footer and even went to the Organization that provides free legal service to Open Source projects and got their legal opinion on teh matter.

    I wonder if it’s doable actually. Take a look at the page source someone and tell us what you think. In this case, I would recommend doing a display:none for the footer div but you;ve got all that javascript in there for tracking, stats and the admin bar. If you did the display: none, would that affect any of that?

    #111698

    mark
    Staff

    If you are asking if you are allowed, the answer is Yes.

    #111699

    drmike
    Member

    I’m so tempted to get my attorney into this but I’m not shelling out the fee for it. It’s the end of the month.

    I found the article over at phpnuke. I’m looking at the “if it’s generated by the designer, you have to leave it in there” bit under 2(c) of the GPL.

    But if Mark says it’s allowed….

    #111717

    mark
    Staff

    WordPress is GPL as is MU – and it’s perfectly fine to remove the credits for that from visible use. I used to answer this many times at the .org forums
    If a theme is GPL I see no difference.

    #111725

    dirkgently
    Member

    Almost everything is possible, not everything that is possible is legal (unless you have the money to put yourself beyond the law). I don’t know specifics and will defer to any judgment from those who do. From a technical standpoint removing credits should be easy enough, from a legal standpoint it may cause you problems down the line if you do so.

    #111727

    wank
    Member

    The designer isn’t really in a position to complain about the removal of credit if they released the theme as GPL. If they care about being credited for their work, they should take the trouble to licence it accordingly. That said, if I come across a blog using a theme I recognise and the credits have been removed, it really doesn’t give a great impression of the blogger.

    I am quite surprised that wordpress.com allows us to hide the footer link back to them as it must be a major source of signups, and it’s standard practice among free hosts to require the linkback. I suppose they get enough links through global tags for the loss of the footer link not to matter too much.

    #111750

    drmike
    Member

    I politely disagree with Wank’s statement as I and others feel that the GPl requires credit back but I’d rather get some work done today.

    #111760

    mark
    Staff

    There is a difference between feeling and reality.

    http://developer.mozilla.org/devnews/
    http://www.loc.gov/blog/
    http://center.arc.nasa.gov/
    http://blogs.download.com/
    All are within the GPL and not a single ‘WordPress’ to be seen.

    Matt said on more than one occasion in the wordpress.org forums that removing visible credits to WordPress was fine. So if a theme is GPL, the same goes for it.
    Here the actual theme CSS cannot be removed and credit would remain there.

    But there is a clear difference between what someone feels should happen and what they are actually allowed to do. Users here need to know that removing or hiding that footer link is allowed.

    #111762

    Great Feedback. Now all I need to know is how to add CSS to keep the Credit, but just make the Text the same color as the background. Therefore it is still there, but not directly visible.

    #111763

    mark
    Staff

    #footer, #footer a {color:#333;}

    works for me.

    #111766

    drmike
    Member

    Matt said on more than one occasion in the wordpress.org forums that removing visible credits to WordPress was fine.

    Which is what I said. Matt as the copyright holder for wordpress gives permission to remove it. GPL does not grant that permission to remove it and in fact requires it. Matt’s permission extends what the GPL allows.

    #111772

    interesting.
    doesn’t the designer have to include a copyright notice for all this to kick into effect? (i.e., just a link in the footer isn’t a copyright notice)

    #111775

    drmike
    Member

    2(c) of the GPL says if the developer above you doesn’t provide for one, you don’t have to either. Since Matt gives permission to remove it, you’re not required to have it further down the chain.

    #111777

    props. thanks for digging that up.

    #111781

    wank
    Member

    I think you’re getting mixed up between copyright and credit. You’re right that removing the name of the copyright holder from style.css or the readme would be contrary to the GPL, but the author cannot stipulate that a visible vanity link be kept to their site. GPL-licenced software is not linkware.

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