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  • #2404173

    @designsimply, thanks for the suggestion to use the markdown feature. I will look into it.

    As for editing the HTML using the Text/HTML tab in the editor, the advice contradicts your earlier point about striving to “make things simpler overall”. Editing the HTML adds more steps to the process, and as you correctly say, it is “a pain in the ass”.

    In any case, I hope that the stream of negative comments about this page on the ticket page (https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/32095) will make the programming team reconsider this decision. Even supporters of this move would have to admit that the response by those who participated in the discussion is decidedly negative.

    Thanks again for your responses.

    #2404174

    @designsimply: FYI, I just tried the markdown feature on a new post. For reasons that I cannot understand, it does not work when the text of the post is justified. Could you please look into this for me? The post is here: http://intelnews.org/2015/06/15/01-1714/

    #2404175

    galois
    Member

    @designsimply: FYI, I just tried the markdown feature on a new post. For reasons that I cannot understand, it does not work when the text of the post is justified.

    @intelligencenews
    The awful truth: Markdown doesn’t support justify text :(
    https://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic/markdown-justify-text-of-a-post?replies=13#post-2165039

    #2404177

    With all due respect, I agree with all negative comments here.

    1. “Of course, you are are all part of the WordPress community. I think the earlier comment was just trying to point out where and how the decision that affected the links feature in this particular case was made…” ~ @designsimply

    I think that the @bduke‘s comment was just a honest attempt to point out what real role the waste majority of WordPress.COM community plays for the wallet of WordPress. I guess we should understand that we are only comfortable mutes (crowd) for modern WordPress. All those “n” billion people choose our platform, be our next investor… or mute”. I have to think so.

    Now I also have to think about other possible surprises which “the larger WordPress community” can bring me tomorrow. It’s clear that “the community” won’t care about the destiny of my blog, its usability, and hours of my life invested in it. And this really “inspires”.

    I am surprised that new problems with the interface for classic PC users (for mobile user’s sake) aren’t justified by the opinion of “the larger WordPress community”.

    2. “In the end, the goal is to make things simpler overall. Too many options and settings and additions make software become too complex over time. So we need to work to keep things simple, even though sometimes it’s a hard process to make changes toward that goal.” ~ @designsimply

    And what result do we have?

    Some people didn’t like titles for links. It was just one line in the editor of links. You could easily ignore it. I am seriously. If that was a serious problem for someone… I don’t know… Are you sure that such people should indicate the future of WP. Ok, to each his own. Everyone has his right to go mad in his own way.

    You removed that line and pleased… someone. Now people who need the titles of links have to open HTML Editor and write titles for all their links in it. Please, try to do that for some complex post. I guarantee that you will find out how nicely it “simplifies” blogging.

    So, are you sure that this is really reasonable simplification of WP? Please, just your honest answer.

    3. “This also might be a case where you can’t please everyone. In my experience, I have seen lots of people ask how to remove tooltips over the years. Here is one example I found in a quick search.” ~ @designsimply

    You can’t be serious here. I can find more than one statement about urgent necessity to close Internet. So, what? Will you be happy to find in your browser, “Sorry, Internet won’t be available anymore, because one person…”?

    4. “The discussion in #32095 already says that if you were using them for SEO or accessibility…” ~ @designsimply

    And if we WEREN’T using them for SEO or accessibility? If we were writing for people… not for Google/Bing/etc bots? You can find a lot of explanations of this in this thread.

    @designsimply, I appreciate your attempt to discuss this problem with customers in contrast to @bduke‘s attempt to “brush away” them. But I find your arguments weak. No offense.

    As I understand, “…because it was often confused with the actual link text itself” is a real reason of the action. All other things are just some attempts of appropriate justification.

    I agree with this proposition from that discussion:
    “This option should be returned, at least it should be hidden under advanced options link.”

    Thanks,
    WP, please, stop your suicide.

    #2404178

    Very well stated, thank you playingcardcollector.

    #2404179

    wyrdsmythe
    Member

    Another vote to bring back the title attribute for the very good, excellent reasons expressed here.

    This is another very disappointing change to WP.

    #2404180

    timethief
    Member
    #2404181

    Editing the HTML adds more steps to the process

    The process you are talking about is one that you are are used to but that other people got confused about—the update was an attempt to simplify the process for the people who were confused and don’t need the title attribute. I know it’s hard for a feature to be changed or removed, and sometimes we need to make hard decisions. I’m really sorry if you were using the feature and it has changed in a way you don’t like.

    #2404185

    wyrdsmythe
    Member

    Speaking as a software engineer of 40 years experience, the way to make both the experts and the inexperienced happy is to provide standard and expert modes.

    But that said…

    I’ve just done some reading about the title attribute, and I have to admit that I’m in the wrong here (drat). Its use is discouraged for pretty good reason, even ignoring mobile devices. Apparently no browser has implemented a way to access it other than mouse hover, and many users don’t — and never did — use a mouse. Mobile devices and touch screens just add serious weight to that argument.

    It has some value as internal labeling and using it to provide more info for links is about the only places it has any value, and the latter so long as you realize the audience that will ever see the popups is diminishing daily.

    It’s been nice, but I think I have to say “buh-bye” to the title attribute.

    #2404192

    @designsimply

    I know it’s hard for a feature to be changed or removed, and sometimes we need to make hard decisions. I’m really sorry if you were using the feature and it has changed in a way you don’t like.

    With all due respect, I think the reaction to this change would be a lot different if WP had thought to consult its users – not just a select group – before making the decision. The reaction would also be very different if WP had given some notification to its users before the change happened.

    I appreciate your comments in this thread, but it’s very frustrating to be asked why and how we use the title attribute after the decision has been made to remove it. It’s also extremely frustrating to be using the WP editor and then suddenly finding a feature no longer works as it did before.

    This is not directed at you personally, because I know you are being helpful, but WP’s actions in managing this change are ridiculously inconsiderate of its users. And this is just one of many examples that are giving a very negative image of WP to its customers. I really don’t understand why WP continues to impose unpopular changes (not just this, but also the beep-boop editor, the “improved” stats page. etc.) without prior user consultation or notification.

    #2404193

    timethief
    Member

    @wyrdsmythe

    I’ve just done some reading about the title attribute, and I have to admit that I’m in the wrong here (drat). Its use is discouraged for pretty good reason, even ignoring mobile devices. Apparently no browser has implemented a way to access it other than mouse hover, and many users don’t — and never did — use a mouse. Mobile devices and touch screens just add serious weight to that argument.

    Exactly. You’ve got it. :)

    #2404194

    wyrdsmythe
    Member

    @timethief

    The kicker for me wasn’t the mobile devices or touch screens, but that even among PC users, not everyone uses a mouse. It really is an accessibility issue so that makes it a matter of inclusion.

    #2404196

    lesliemak
    Member

    I can’t for the life of me figure out where in the example you gave me for the text fix to insert the words that I actually want to display in the hover text. Can you point me to that specific portion of the html code where I should insert the hover text words? And also, am I meant to re-insert the link address in the text section in addition to what I previously inserted in the link editor box? I’ve tried a zillion ways. Thank you.

    #2404197

    lesliemak
    Member

    I’ve finally figured it out so you can disregard my last post in this thread. Wow…so much work to get it to work with text inserted html code. (and then going back into the link editor to check the box for opening in a new window). Please give us a way to revert to a proper text link editor. Thanks for all your hard work!

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