Private posts appearing on Google

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  • #49521

    timethief
    Member

    I think you missed Mark’s point.

    Your private blog posts were found because you assigned categories to them which put them into the tagging system where the search spiders crawl.

    There are all kinds of free desktop and browser downloads available now. If you download for example a Google desktop application then their spiders will become aware of your data.

    I am super cautious about what I download. However, there are legions of people out there with all kinds of widgets and doodads on their desk tops as well as spyware browsers.

    #49522

    engtech
    Member

    If you want privacy don’t put it on a blog.

    At the least use a password.

    #49523

    nosysnoop
    Member

    But isn’t it all kept private if you do. . .

    Dashboard > Manage > Options > Privacy

    . . . and also ask WordPress to clasify your blog an a mature blog?

    #49524

    timethief
    Member

    “Privacy and Internet are almost exact opposites, functionally speaking”. (raincoaster)

    (1) If you select the privacy option and then you assign categories to your posts then the posts will end up on the tag pages where the spiders can crawl them.

    In other words, wordpress will respect your privacy choice but the blogger must not break the bond of secrecy by assigning categories to posts.

    (2) If you have downloaded a Google Desktop then be aware that the Google spiders will be crawling your blog regardless of the wordpress privacy setting.

    In other words, this is not a wordpress failure at all. The blogger created the open invitation to have Google spiders crawling all over everything he/she puts on the net by saying “I agree” to the download ToS.

    (3) Don’t download any desktop applications without reading very carefully before you agree to their ToS.

    Don’t be naive. There is a reason you are getting a free application or doodad and that reason is to spy on you. All information gained about you and your preferences feeds into consumer databases and is sold to companies with products and services they want to sell to you and other people like you.

    P.S. I don’t think the blogger said anything at all about having mature content.

    #49525

    raincoaster
    Member

    No, but asking WordPress to mark your blog Mature will take it off the tag pages for WordPress and Top Blogs and give your privacy yet another degree of protection.

    Don’t forget, as well, that if you leave a comment on someone else’s blog, even if you’re not signed in and even if you leave a fake email, they have your IP. They can find you.

    The internet is the single most powerful communication tool ever invented. If you don’t want to communicate widely, I would suggest not putting your stuff there. You can always keep a journal on your computer in Word or some other desktop software.

    #49526

    veritas2947
    Member

    timethief

    I didn’t miss Mark’s point at all. It simply doesn’t apply to me. I do not use any desktop doodads, Google anythings or anything other dodgy add-on which could have caused or contributed to this. I’m also extremely cautious about what I download onto my computer. I also stated that I think I tagged some of the posts but not sure if all of them. I’m almost certain I didn’t tag them all, and I usually forget to tag posts as a rule and have to go back and do it later, if at all.

    What I did was write posts, assign tags to some, and post them. I then, after some time, decided to make them private for a while. I didn’t write private posts, store them on a web site and then assign them tags. That would be plain daft.

    I have learned my lesson now and only post what I want to be read.

    #49527

    mark
    Staff

    “I then, after some time, decided to make them private for a while.”

    Isn’t that why?

    #49528

    veritas2947
    Member

    Isn’t what why?

    #49530

    raincoaster
    Member

    You didn’t make them private to begin with; that means that search engines and random bloggers saw them, including random bloggers with Google toolbars installed, which is why Google had them. Does that make sense now? That’s how they found the posts; they were out in the open to begin with.

    #49531

    veritas2947
    Member

    So, for the record, you’re claiming that it was entirely and solely my actions which caused this and that the way WordPress works has nothing to do with it?

    #49533

    raincoaster
    Member

    If you publicly post items and then later mark them private, yes, it was your original posting of these items that put them into the public sphere. Marking them private later does not delete them from the caches of the search engines or readers who saw them during the public time. It’s closing the barn door after the horse has bolted.

    #49534

    veritas2947
    Member

    Most people believe that private means private, even on the Internet. I should have known better, because I have IT qualifications and 16 years experience of using the ‘net, and even I made a gross error in judgement here.

    Most Internet users just don’t know that something marked “private” could be available for public consumption. That’s why I didn’t want this debate just to be about me and my mistakes.

    It isn’t unreasonable for an idiot like me, or an inexperienced user, to mark a previously public post private and expect that it will now be private. It used to be public, now it isn’t, see?

    I don’t have anything useful to say about this anymore, other than it will crop up again with other people and many thanks to all of you for helping me out here. I feel like sitting here with a double duvet over my head for the next six weeks.

    #49535

    raincoaster
    Member

    I know how you feel. If you’ve been around on the Internet for any length of time you’ve had an experience like this. I agree that this thread will be useful for others; it has real universality.

    I compare the whole thing to sending out a television broadcast. You can never reach into people’s TIVOs and VCRs and make sure they delete it, even if you decide to pull the show from the repeat schedule in the future.

    #49536

    mark
    Staff

    As soon as you publish a post, your blog pings pingomatic.
    That tells several services you have a new post and they come and get it almost straightaway.
    As soon as you publish a post it becomes available in your feed and that cannot be removed for anyone getting your feed before that who updates their feed.
    And if you publish your post as a search bot is crawling the domain it too can get your information.

    So if you do not mark it as Private before clicking Publish then all the above happens.
    It’s how it is and for the majority of bloggers it is expected behaviour.

    If you later mark it as Private you cannot stop the other services as your post in now inside their system. (which is very useful if you ever delete a post by mistake as they may have a copy).

    #49537

    nosysnoop
    Member

    I got listed as a mature blog and also take the url link off my site off my profile page so my name isn’t clickable here on the forum or on comments that I leave.

    They also crawl very fast. I finally had an idea of how to finally get my ProBoards site listed on Google when for months I had failed to. So I posted the link on my blogroll here and the next day, my ProBoards site was finally on Google. So anything you post that wasn’t marked private at first, gets crawled very quickly by the spiders.

    #49538

    drmike
    Member

    Actually had a thread recently on the wp.org boards where some guy was wondering how his test setup of wordpress sitting off of his cable modem got spidered by the google spiders within 30 minutes of setup.

    Turns out he had made a post, it sent out the pings and Google picked up on them.

    They spider fairly quickly. Getting the pages spidered into the database anytime soon is the issue.

    #49567

    ag1024
    Member

    @timethief,

    If you have downloaded a Google Desktop then be aware that the Google spiders will be crawling your blog regardless of the wordpress privacy setting

    When you download Google Desktop you can choose how much you want Google to index, eg. emails (gmail), blogs (Blogger only – I think), documents, external disks, and so on, and if you want your computer to be accessible from other computers (shared indexing). I would not allow the last.

    Don’t be naive. There is a reason you are getting a free application or doodad and that reason is to spy on you. All information gained about you and your preferences feeds into consumer databases and is sold to companies with products and services they want to sell to you and other people like you.

    Not that the consequences bother me in the short term. In fact, I often find the discrete gmail ads relevant, hence useful – and that is prabably because Google has indexed all of my X GB of private emails, search history, offline and online documents. Irrelevant ads are annoying, relevant ads are helpful.

    However, that said, it is scary to philosophise about it. Billions of people are having their habits and personal interests mapped by relentless web spiders. I do not know if this really happens, though (Google also has some privacy terms)… but it is possible, and will eventually make Google the most powerful firm on Earth, business wise. Who knows how that fairy tail will end.

    #49577

    I have recently noticed that after I did an edit of a post that I had published last night, It showed up on my site as Private: I do not remember clicking anything that would place this in front of my post As the Pendulum Swings. Any ideas how this happened and how I can remove the Private: ? Thanks.

    #49578

    judyb12
    Member

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