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Reader Update

  1. We launched a Reader update today.

    Your feedback is always welcome. Let us know what you think.

    Here's the announcement outlining the update.

  2. Hi,
    There is already a feedback thread at https://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic/new-reader-look?replies=4 :)

  3. Thanks timethief!

  4. You're welcome. :)

  5. I was wondering if the layout is also available for a single WordPress site, especially for self-hosted sites as a theme.

  6. I guess that's why no posts show up at all, just a menu and a blank space - also when I click one of my tags.

  7. As Colour Cottage I have a blank page today.

  8. I am on Windows 10. My likes show up in the Reader but not my followed sites. I have just checked my Fire Tablet and there is no issue. My followed sites are showing up. I have tried both Google Chrome and Microsoft Edge browsers. I have cleared out my history in both browsers. Still my followed sites do not show. Can you suggest a strategy to change this?

  9. It is working now.

  10. Indeed.

    (PC, win 7, latest Firefox)

  11. Is it possible to follow a blog so that it shows in the reader without receiving emails? I am drowning in emails, and it makes it so that I don't want to follow more blogs just because of the number of emails I know I'll receive.

  12. @birgitpauli, it's not available as a theme! However, you can access a site directly in the Reader by clicking the ellipsis in the bottom right menu on a site and then clicking the "View Site in the Reader" link.

  13. colourcottage, nijs1, unclebardie, thank you for posting about the layout and apologies for not seeing your notes sooner! I just tested with Windows 10 Edge 14 to make sure posts are working normally at https://wordpress.com/ and everything looks good now (which unclebardie also mentioned earlier). I will be checking back here periodically to help out if any other glitches pop up.

  14. Is it possible to follow a blog so that it shows in the reader without receiving emails?

    It is! Go to https://wordpress.com/following/edit and find the site you want to change preferences for. Click the arrow to the left of the site, and you should see an option to turn emails on or off for both posts and comments.

  15. For those of us who run photography blogs, the new look is not good. I'll add my voice to pellymade's on the other thread (why was it closed, btw?) -- our photos are now brutally cropped and/or squished into a tiny thumbnail.

    Not sure I'll be using the Reader anymore if these changes are permanent.

  16. The changes to the reader are visually disgraceful. I do not want the blogs I follow compressed in my reader so WP can shove their promoted blogs down my throat. My reader is supposed to contain the blogs I choose to follow, not the blogs WP wants me to follow. Blogs without photos get two lines and are easily overlooked in the new jammed up gimmish. Blogs with photos get their photos cut in half and their visuals destroyed. Many bloggers agree. See:

    https://cindyknoke.com/2016/12/15/changes-to-wp-reader/

  17. Have you ever considered giving us a heads up or perhaps a survey before implementing all these new ideas? I do not like the new reader or the new editor and let’s not get me started on the customer service hehe! It seems political and manipulative to give bloggers less content on the reader and insert unwanted recommendations ( especially for us seasoned writers). I pay money for my blog and do not appreciate less exposure and no warning.

    Keep this up and bloggers may take their business elsewhere. I love my community here, but honestly, if these “improvements” were in effect at the time I began blogging, I would have chosen another platform.

  18. @designsimply
    Thanks for the replies but why did you close the other thread? How can we answer to all those replies from here? Anyway I'll try...
    - You said WP now wants a

    magazine-like view

    but what WP designed is the Index page of a magazine, an infinite index page to be exact. WP's novelty is ... the thumbnail size, or banner like photo...
    Magazines don't chop up their photos, they count on them to attract the viewer. And people don't read the index page of a magazine, unless they want to find the page number of an interesting article.
    -

    I'm not sure if it will help you, but I am a huge fan of keyboard shortcuts and you can use 'j' for next, 'k' for previous, 'enter' to open full post view, 'space' and 'shift+space' to scroll, and 'esc' to leave full post view. I know it doesn't solve everything you mentioned, but it may help a little!

    Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware off all these shortcuts, but what you wrote proves my point exactly: too many clicks!! 6 unnecessary clicks just for one post! Overwhelming... Before we simply saw the post and if we liked what we saw, only then we started to click. We even knew the number of photos of that post without moving a finger.
    It's absolutely terrible for people like me who always want to explore and discover new bloggers vie the Reader, don't have much time, love photography, wear glasses (I have a 28" screen and still have a problem reading the miniscule titles on the chopped photo), use a desktop pc, tablets are too small and don't have a smartphone...
    There are still many dinosaur bloggers out there you know...
    - It's a tiny relief that WP is working to improve the photo chopping issue they created, so I'll include some samples of screenshots of my photos in the Reader asking you this rhetorical question: Could that strap of a photo make you curious enough to spend your energy and click for a view?
    https://pellymade.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/reader1.jpg
    https://pellymade.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/reader4.jpg
    https://pellymade.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/reader3.jpg
    https://pellymade.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/reader2.jpg

    And one last remark. I totally agree with heartafire's comment on the other thread:

    The changes to the reader is unacceptable. We try hard here to support Word Press with wonderful blog sites, please support us by ridding us of this terrible reader, is of little if no use to us, makes it more time consuming and a lot more likely to skip over blogs we follow. To include other blogs in more than one bracket is so distracting and confusing and outright insulting to the writer, photographer, artist...all of us. Please consider your members and correct this problem

  19. Dear WP gurus,

    I prefer the old reader. I use the reader for the blogs I

      follow
    , and I know how to use tags to discover new blogs. I mostly follow photography blogs, so the new reader is much less desirable for me.

    Thanks.

  20. @pellymade is right. Proven fact, humans rarely click more than once. Ask google.

  21. the new Reader, as I am sure you have heard many times, is not good for those with photo blogs.. the photos are distorted and too small for detail which will put most people off of coming to the blog to read the post.. I much prefer the old Reader. This new one is only good for those with blogs devoted to writing.

  22. @bythebriny

    For those of us who run photography blogs, the new look is not good.

    Thank you for your feedback! Posts in the Reader intended to give the viewer a taste, and then let them click through for more. With the photos cropped differently now, the overall experience becomes more like a magazine with less scrolling—something many have asked for. WordPress.com is also constantly evolving and all of the feedback, like yours and many others', will be reviewed and considered alongside the data we analyze about reader engagement.

    More on this at https://en.blog.wordpress.com/2016/12/14/reader-refresh-2017/#comment-231783

  23. @lalitebeing

    Have you ever considered giving us a heads up or perhaps a survey before implementing all these new ideas?

    Yes! Not every update gets the chance, but we have a beta testing blog called Horizon Feedback which you can join and I would love to work with you on feedback there in the future if you are interested!

    https://horizonfeedback.wordpress.com/tips-on-giving-feedback/

    https://horizonfeedback.wordpress.com/

    We also analyze past feedback compared to actual usage and try to make the best possible judgments about updates as we go—we are constantly updating and learning.

    I do not like the new reader or the new editor and let’s not get me started on the customer service hehe! It seems political and manipulative to give bloggers less content on the reader and insert unwanted recommendations ( especially for us seasoned writers). I pay money for my blog and do not appreciate less exposure and no warning.

    Thank you for the feedback. The recommendations are for your content, and they are intended to get more people engaging with more blogs on WordPress.com. Recommendations mean more exposure. The idea is for the algorithm to make some good recommendations that are relevant for each reader! Also, the more you subscribe to, the fewer recommendations you'll see. You will see more of them if you are new to the Reader or haven't subscribed to many things in the Reader yet.

  24. You are removing and censoring my comments in two forums! The WP reader is supposed to be for blogs we follow to make reading the blogs we follow easier. It is not supposed to be for WP to push blogs we don't follow down our throats. You are taking space in the reader away from blogs I follow and using this space for blogs you promote. Blogs with no photos get two lines. Blogs with photos get their photos and layout mangled. And now you are removing my comments? Readers, please go to cindyknoke.com and see the overwhelming negative reaction from bloggers to these changes.

  25. According the link to reader refresh: my comment is waiting for moderation there since yesterday and the other one I wrote today disappeared. I feel... ignored. I think this is very important, photos should not be changed without asking the photographer.

  26. Don't like the new reader; can't see the photos! I have an art blog. This is not good. :(

  27. @pellymade

    Thanks for the replies but why did you close the other thread?

    For a few reasons. I found the other one was getting hard to follow, the replies were getting long and out of order, and this one was originally started as the official thread relating to the latest Reader updates and I wanted to respect that. :)

    Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware off all these shortcuts, but what you wrote proves my point exactly: too many clicks!! 6 unnecessary clicks just for one post!

    For people who love and use the Reader, they will have one click to reach a consistent view of content across blogs. Some people prefer this, some people do not.

    Before we simply saw the post and if we liked what we saw, only then we started to click. We even knew the number of photos of that post without moving a finger.

    May I ask about the number of photos part of this feedback? Why/how does knowing the number of photos in a post influence whether you click on a post in the Reader?

    I have passed along your other feedback about the photo cropping and title size.

    Could that strap of a photo make you curious enough to spend your energy and click for a view?

    I'd have to say yes, for me! And sometimes, not seeing the entire photo actually makes me possibly a little more curious than usual and more likely to click.

    Regarding heartafire's comment on the other thread, showing more content in less space and reducing scrolling is something we've heard opposite and equally strong opinions about in past feedback. This means we have to make a choice and try to strike a good balance and the Reader will continue to evolve. All of this feedback is reviewed and considered as part of each update.

  28. @abjag, I will look for your comment and review it shortly.

    @ajeris, the Reader is always evolving. We will be looking into ways we can improve how cropping is done, but that may take some time.

  29. @designsimply and wp
    I understand that it's your position to defend the changes. I am not convinced. I never thought that blogging means to have a big boss deciding about you without you. That's unacceptable.
    I found out that there are many many other bloggers who resent those changes. I and many others explained thoroughly the reasons why, here and to the other threads.
    You will see what I mean by visiting cindyknoke's post and read the (so far) 256 comments: https://cindyknoke.com/2016/12/15/changes-to-wp-reader/
    So we are not the minority wp says we are...
    I also found out that there's been some kind of censorship to opposed comments. Mine still awaits moderation in the announcement post and that's not good.
    And I agree with abjab's comment: Photos are our artistic product and can’t be altered without our consent_

    For people who love and use the Reader, they will have one click to reach a consistent view of content across blogs

    It's not 1 click. It's 1 click, scroll and back. Before it was only scroll.
    I am sorry I have to explain this...

    May I ask about the number of photos part of this feedback? Why/how does knowing the number of photos in a post influence whether you click on a post in the Reader?

    Because there was that awesome little button called "view image" and you clicked it and saw all the photos.

    I'd have to say yes, for me! And sometimes, not seeing the entire photo actually makes me possibly a little more curious than usual and more likely to click.

    First this is subjective. Did wp had feedback about that too? And second that means you have a lot of free time and patience. I don't; there are hundreds of photo straps, they all look promising, which one will I chose?
    This is not a game for us, we put heart, time, effort and money and we are not guinea pigs
    Finally heartafire also said

    To include other blogs in more than one bracket is so distracting and confusing and outright insulting to the writer, photographer, artist...all of us

    but no answer on that part...

  30. The new Reader has some severe consequences for photographers and other artists who have worked hard and are showcasing their work. The cropped format (portrait or landscape) is one problem; a second is miniscule thumbnails (try to see the detail in a landscape, or street scene at such a size or even distinguish between them). Magazines on line and in print have understood this for a long time, but magazines also get to choose their content, art and photography. The Reader is a forum for people to advertise their work quite the reverse from a magazine. Be it prose, poetry, painting, photography or news people choose what to post, its format and content, they work hard at that and Reader discards all of it when it comes to photography. Moving on to other improvements, as a photographer I might not like the “gallery format” maybe it does not suit my story line – does it even show my photos in order? And why would anyone want to visit my blog or view my post when most of it is there in Reader for him or her to see? How and why is it that Reader choses from my posts what to advertise at the bottom of my post, what if I am doing a series of posts and the posts chosen by the algorithm have nothing to do with that series. Why not have different formats for “Tag pages” where art/photography is the subject? We all work hard on our content and to have these changes imposed on us hurts. Many of us like WordPress for the community. Reader is a key function in that and having someone decide for us how our work and efforts will be reformatted does not help the community.

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