Removing the scrollbar from the post editor one of the worst "improvements" yet

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  • #1960564

    auxclass
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    @sensuouscurmudgeon – I suggested the pinning earlier in this thread and again in a new thread – you can second that if you want

    https://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic/editor-suggestions?replies=2#post-1969160

    #1960565

    auxclass, it’s done.

    #1960566

    Anyone else attempt to change the position of the Publish, Categories and Tags modules? I changed one of them a few days ago and today I cannot change them. I can move them but they do not stay where I put them when I save the post.

    Is this a new bug?

    #1960567

    musicdoc1
    Member

    @ dandelionsalad,

    You mean change the order of them?

    #1960568

    Yes, exactly that.

    It seems to take time to take effect. I’ve been able to move one of the modules to a different location but the others haven’t moved yet. Maybe they will after time, too.

    I’m editing a lot of older posts and need the Publish module at the top since most of these particular posts are shorter ones.

    Having these modules pinned with the new scrolling of the posts would be quite helpful.

    #1960569

    musicdoc1
    Member

    @dandelionsalad,

    Glad you suggested rearranging the order, which hadn’t (I think) been mentioned previously in the thread This might be a helpful tip for some users.

    It seems to take time to take effect. I’ve been able to move one of the modules to a different location but the others haven’t moved yet. Maybe they will after time, too.

    I tested your suggestion moments after reading the comment and found I could freely rearrange the four sidebar modules in a post editor page, and the two sidebar modules in a page editor page. There is no delay — They move instantly by dragging them.* In each case the changes help after saving. So I’ve not encountered the difficulty with rearranging the modules that you describe.

    * Not sure if the following are related to the problem you describe, but at times I’ve had trouble dragging images in recent versions of the WP gallery editor: Images lagging behind the cursor as you drag them, inability to drop them where I want them. And long ago I had the same problem with widgets. Don’t know the cause. Sometimes things such as reloading the page, refreshing browser, closing some windows has helped.

    #1960570

    The modules move very easily, they just don’t stay after saving. They go back to where they were. Then after a while the modules are where I put them. During this time I have to keep on moving them, though.

    You may be right that it is a browser/cache issue. I did clear cache thinking that that could be the problem.

    So, it probably isn’t a technical glitch with the “new” changes to the editor.

    Thanks for trying it out and responding so quickly. :)

    I do think having the modules pinned would be a welcome change, especially when we have longer posts.

    A lot of these changes are disruptive for us regular computer users (not mobile) using a landscape setting on our screens. We do have the option to move to portrait orientation and setting up our screens sideways, but not so good if you watch a lot of videos online.

    #1960571

    musicdoc1
    Member

    I do think having the modules pinned would be a welcome change, especially when we have longer posts.

    That suggestion has been mentioned a few times here, but the thread is so cluttered by now…Have you checked out the new thread begun by auxclass?:
    <p style=”text-align: center”><Editor Suggestions</p>

    #1960572

    opalkatze
    Member

    @dandelionsalad

    [https://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic/removing-the-scrollbar-from-the-post-editor-one-of-the-worst-improvements-yet/page/10?replies=283#post-1970120]

    Same here: “The modules move very easily, they just don’t stay after saving.”

    #1960573

    Yes, I did find the other thread, musicdoc1.

    Opalkatze, did you try clearing your cache and history from your browser?

    #1960574

    opalkatze
    Member

    @dandelionsalad

    Yes, I did but nothing changed.

    #1960575

    Interesting. Wonder if this is happening to others, too?

    #1960576

    musicdoc1
    Member

    @ dandelionsalad,

    Pin the publish module or “Save” and “Update” buttons in the toolbar?

    Pinning the Publish Module:
    On page 2 of the thread, in his Pros & Cons list on the effects of the 22 July mod(s), member thenakedlistener was one of the earliest if not the first to suggest here the pinning the publish and other modules, suggesting them under the heading IMMEDIATE ACTION.

    I owe him an apology, since on page 4 I corrected him, saying that he must have meant “unpin” because the modules are already pinned. Well, I guess it depends on what we’re pinning them to. But if what they’ve done with the toolbar is called pinning, then that is what he, you, auxclass, and several others have recommended be done with the publish module, and possibly the other modules as well. If they are pinned (prevented from moving) at the same point that the toolbar is when you scroll down, they will then move in tandem with, or alongside of, the window as you scroll.

    “Save” and “Update” buttons in the toolbar:
    I suggested this way back in the thread, but I’m not going to hunt for it. The buttons I need most in the publish module (panel, box, what have you), are “save” for before publishing, and “update” for editing after publishing. “Preview” is already available in two other places above the editor window toolbar. Why not add “save” and “update” buttons to the editor window toolbar itself? Or above the toolbar. Plenty of room for them.

    #1960577

    Actually I would prefer the pinning of the Publish, Categories and Tags modules just like the new toolbar is pinned now when we scroll down.

    No need to add anything to the toolbar.

    #1960578

    musicdoc1
    Member

    @dandelionsalad,
    Cool.

    Immediately above I said,

    If they are pinned (prevented from moving) at the same point that the toolbar is when you scroll down, they will then move in tandem with, or alongside of, the window as you scroll.

    That’s not right. They won’t be moving at all. The content of the window will be moving and they will remain stationary where pinned. Should have said,

    If they are pinned (prevented from moving) at the same point that the toolbar is when you scroll down, they will then remain stationary at the side of the editor window as the window contents are scrolled. They will remain there when scrolling up as well, until you get to a certain point where they will, like the toolbar, be released.

    Actually, for me it’s easier to think in terms of the modules being pinned to the scrollbar knob (thumb?). Moving up and down with the cursor and the knob.

    #1960579

    musicdoc1
    Member

    Actually, for me it’s easier to think in terms of the modules being pinned to the scrollbar knob (thumb?). Moving up and down with the cursor and the knob.

    Oops. Sorry, that’s not right either. Should have stuck with my second description in the previous comment. When I begin to make mistakes at this rate it’s time to bid y’all a wondrous good night.

    #1960580

    I don’t want to overwhelm staff with a long list of complaints and suggested changes. If we focus on one or two items, it’s more likely that staff may address them.

    For example, pinning the “Publish” button has been mentioned a few times, but space in that pinned area is limited. Everyone does things differently, but hitting the “Publish” button is the last thing I do, after a lot of “Saving” and “Previewing,” When I’m finally ready for the “Publish” button, it doesn’t matter if I need to scroll up and thus lose my place in the text. I think devoting space in the pinned area for “Publish” is far less important than “Save” and “Preview.”

    It’s the same with Categories and Tags. I don’t use tags, and assigning a couple of Categories is what I’ll do right at the start, so I don’t need continuous access to that area. My main concern is adding “Save” and “Preview” buttons to the pinned area.

    #1960581

    musicdoc1
    Member

    @ sensuouscurmudgeon,

    I don’t know who mentioned the “Publish” button. I haven’t. Did mention the publish module (aka box, panel) which is different. In draft mode the box contains “save,” “preview,” and “publish” buttons, status and visibility options, time and date stamp editor, etc. In published mode an “update” button, replaces the “save” and “publish buttons.”
    Preview button? There already is a “preview” button above the editor, between the “edit” and “get shortlink” buttons. So that leaves just the “save” button on your request list. You’ll probably want the “update” button, too, for editing after you’ve published.

    These two buttons: “save” and “update” are tops on my list. But for two buttons why worry about pinning? Just add “save” and “update” buttons to the toolbar, as I’ve suggested a few comments above. Wouldn’t be enough for everyone though. Some want the the whole publish module pinned and some want one or more of the other modules: tags, categories, feature images modules, etc. pinned as well.

    #1960582

    musicdoc1
    Member

    Or add them above the toolbar, where the “preview” button is. Room there for several more buttons.

    #1960583

    Except the preview button (under the title) disappears very quickly once you scroll down in a post. I use that button very frequently and it’s a chore now to find it while writing or editing a post. Adding anything more there would not help.

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