Removing the scrollbar from the post editor one of the worst "improvements" yet

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  • #1960272

    I having the same problem and it’s a disaster – the inner scroll bar is missing when you’re editing a page. Only gone since yesterday. See pic below: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gGbhoJxcc1E/U8-eiJpmAiI/AAAAAAAADXI/EG9U5UTvdVw/s1600/Missing+Scroll+Bar.JPG

    Also today, I’m having a problem uploading images.

    #1960288

    Not Able To Define If This Is An Issue –

    Or An Attempt To Improve The Post Editor Function –

    If this is an issue then you can count me on board just noticed this in my post editor as of today – However if this is one of those improvements well its just another thing to work – around one has to adapt inner slide bar or outer – Chance Favors The Prepared Mind –

    #1960289

    timethief
    Member

    @staff
    There are multiple threads in response to the changes made to the editor. kokkieh, galois and I are tagging them all with “modlook” and with “editor issues“.

    #1960293

    Well, I just had a chat with a WordPress rep. and according to him it’s an improvement. When I said it made for more difficult posting he couldn’t see why and told me “change is good”. Change back to Blogger.com perhaps?

    #1960295

    5mutek
    Member

    For what it’s worth, the changes that everyone is experiencing are new features in WordPress 4.0

    Not all of the new changes will apply to WordPress.com sites, but you can read about some of the new features, such as the changes to the post editor, and the new media grid here.

    http://www.elegantthemes.com/blog/general-news/wordpress-4-0-is-just-around-the-corner-and-heres-what-it-has-in-store

    #1960296

    druesome
    Staff

    Hello everyone!

    What you guys noticed is an improvement to the post editor that we are pretty excited about. The secondary scrollbar in the post editor is indeed removed, but we’ve made the primary sidebar work in such a way that it scrolls down your post content seamlessly with the toolbar pinned to the top.

    https://i.cloudup.com/6PHYFbRzcr.mov

    We recognize that this is a big change in the way we edit our posts and takes some getting used to. As always, any suggestions or ideas in improving it are welcome. For bugs, please report them by starting a new thread or opening a support ticket via http://en.support.wordpress.com/contact/.

    Thank you very much!

    #1960297

    roseglace
    Member

    it’s not an ‘improvement’. it’s a change. the sticky toolbar is probably an improvement, although there arguably should be a setting to allow the ‘old’ behavior. (i don’t want one, but i expect some people might.)

    on the other hand — the scrollbar issue. i don’t want a text input area ‘that big.’ i would prefer the ability to select the size of my text input area and if my text is too big for that area, then provide a scrollbar. _THAT_ would be an ‘improvement’ because it would actually add features and flexibility and not just unilaterally say “this is the way you’re going to do things from now on. it’s for your own good so don’t worry your pretty little heads about it.”

    #1960298

    auxclass
    Member

    @druesome – MOSTLY – OK – but only half fixed – please Stick the Publish box at the top – I save drafts a lot – many of my Posts are long – scrolling back up to the top every few minutes to save the update will REALLY SUCK

    For an extra 3 2/3 bonus points – get rid of the really annoying jump back to the top of the page for the save – please save where I am editing – sort of like EVERY word processing program has done for DECADES

    thanks

    #1960299

    kokkieh
    Staff

    To add to auxclass, the related content module of the Zemanta browser extension as well if it is at all possible. Scrolling up and down every time I want to insert an image is just ridiculous.

    #1960300

    Perhaps it’s a good point in time to summarise the pros & cons of the issue:

    PROS

    (a) Fixed toolbar (where the formatting buttons are) – easier formatting.

    (b) Auto-expanding text area – apparently more suitable for mobile device users where multiple scrollbars may be problematic.

    (c) One single scrollbar (the browser’s) – apparently good for mobile users and/or to streamline the general interface.

    CONS

    (1) Floating ‘Publish’ panel on right-hand side – makes for substantially more scrolling during writing/editing to access ‘Save’ button, &c, especially for long posts.

    (2) Other floating righthand-side panels (‘Tags,’ ‘Categories,’ &c) – again leading to extra scrolling to access them for tagging and categorising.

    (3) Auto-expanding text area – less practical (or impractical) for non-mobile users, especially with respect to the floating ‘Publish,’ ‘Tag,’ &c panels (point 2 above).

    (4) Lack of ‘Save’ button in the editing toolbar – especially in view of the floating ‘Publish’ & related panels on the right-hand side. It is good computing practice to save the work regularly & frequently, and the floating panels detract from this.

    (5) One scrollbar – relying on the environmental scrollbar to do the work of two separate functions is not good computing practice anyway. Desktop/laptop computers are main computers & these are to provide higher functionality than mobile devices. The environmental functions of the browser works UNTIL the browser itself has issues (non-updates, &c).

    (6) No opt-out choice for new interface, especially with regard to users who blog mainly on main computers rather than mobile devices.

    POSSIBLE CONS

    Other apparent/alleged issues (related or unrelated to the new interface) mentioned in this thread or other threads (or now noticed during use):

    (7) Stripping of codes when pasting from other applications (e.g. WordPad, YouTube, &c) in either visual or text mode.

    (8) Noticeable reduction in fount size of text in the editing text box to varying degrees depending on your theme.

    (9) Alleged wordcount problems for posts as mentioned in some other threads, which I couldn’t confirm or deny as of yet.

    (10) Cannot flush-centre paired images side by side, which may be an issue for some users on some themes.

    IMMEDIATE ACTION

    (A) Pin (make stationary) the Publish, Tag, &c, panels to make their buttons more effectually accessible.

    (B) If not (A) above, then introduce a ‘Save’ button in the editing toolbar to make saving an less tedious exercise. Mobile users (like my wife!) will appreciate that greatly.

    The above two actions are easily doable, by virtue of the fact that the more difficult auto-expanding text area and internal scrollbar removal have already been done.

    Commenters please advise if I’ve summarised the issues right. Thanks to all.

    #1960301

    timethief
    Member

    @druesome
    Will you please remove the inappropriate tags in the sidebar of this thread. Apparently whoever entered them there does not know that they can be traced right back to the username account who posted them.

    #1960303

    The “internal” scroll bar is working today, but the editing box jumps around a lot and the writing I do still moves behind the tool bar at times. I have the page set up as two column and the right hand column moves as I use the external scroll bar to go up and down.

    Both columns and the editing box were in a fixed position relative to each other until yesterday. That worked beautifully, as there was not so much scrolling and boxes were not jumping around.

    #1960304

    moloch981
    Member

    I dislike this very much: when I start a new post, the text seems to begin after a lot of white space for some reason. I have to scroll up and down constantly to find what I want and what I’m writing. I hope this is because this “improvements” still needs to be fixed, and not because this is how it’s supposed to be. I’m seriously considering going back to Blogger as well.

    #1960306

    When I posted my problem on this forum, I though maybe there was something wrong with my computer or that a file had gotten corrupted in wordpress. I see that’s not true, as I learn that changes were made by the staff as to how the “add new post” page is supposed to work.

    The internal scroll bar has been restored as I just made a new post. However, the floating right hand column in the two column setup is inefficient for bloggers.

    Also, the EXTERNAL SCROLL BARS SCROLLS THE TEXT IN THE EDITING BOX. That’s not efficient either, as a blogger might need to scroll up and down for the right column while looking at specific text in the editing box.

    The best way to approach this from wp’s end would be either restore the old way of doing things to offer a choice on the dashboard. Choice 1: Add new post on laptop; choice 2: Add new post on mobile device.

    One size fits all solutions are rarely efficient or convenient. That’s why tshirts come in different sizes. Likewise, wp. Since most people post blog articles from laptops if there’s only one choice, the old choice is the best one.

    #1960307

    thecredhulk
    Member

    @druesome
    This ‘improvement’ makes writing more difficult, particularly for one reason. If my post is too long (which it often is), I can’t simultaneously see the tags block, making it harder to copy and paste relevant tags. Why isn’t pinning the sidebars an option?

    #1960309

    moloch981
    Member

    A screenshot

    #1960310

    kokkieh
    Staff

    @moloch981
    I posted about that this morning (my time) and just got a reply from staff that they’re aware of the white space issue and working on it. You can see this thread: https://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic/scroll-bar-dont-show-up-edit-mode?replies=4#post-1959497

    #1960311

    moloch981
    Member

    Thanks

    #1960312

    Sign me up for the complaints. It’s horrible.

    As someone mentioned, the old format flashes on screen for a second, then disappears to the new way. It really doesn’t work for people who have long posts. Please change it back, or give us a way to access the old way. It is NOT an improvement. It is NOT something we should have to get used to. It is a loss of functionality.

    And if this is an improvement, why would you have the second, inner scrollbar–the one that is now completely worthless–still available?

    I can’t really say I find any of the new “features” worthwhile, but the scroll one can’t be justified.

    #1960314

    Thank you, commenter Timethief for steering me to this forum and for being so pro-active in trying to get wp’s attention.

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