Stats Classics: How to set?

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  • #2167801

    The key issue for me, as others have also said, is the move from two columns to one. Working on a small laptop this means lots of scrolling and not being able to see one piece of information in relation to another.

    The views by day, week, month chart at the top is much more useful on the existing stats page; seeing 30 days rather than 10 gives a much better picture. Likewise for weeks and months: the key is seeing patterns over time and that’s just not possible with the new page.

    Similarly when looking at views of individual posts, the current charts with the whole life of the post are great for seeing patterns over time. Knowing how that post has fared over the last 10 days is useless by comparison.

    There are other issues too but these are my initial thoughts. Ultimately though I think the key point is that, if WordPress is to remain a serious blogging platform, it must meet the needs of serious bloggers and that must include those working on laptops and desktop machines. It’s important that it’s possible to blog from mobile platforms too but a serious blogger will do that from the app not from a browser on their phone so don’t reconfigure the site so that browser pages are geared only for mobile platforms.

    #2167802

    @dandelionsalad, the map should be there! Now I see what you mean about clicking the blue toolbar to scroll to the top of the page. I will see what I can find out about that. I think you’ve said the same comments about moving modules and the narrow layout already, and I have taken note of those comments.

    Does this link work better to see my screenshot of the map? https://cldup.com/rl5XALIDnh.png

    #2167803

    @imageobjecttext, thanks for sharing your thoughts!

    the current charts with the whole life of the post are great for seeing patterns over time

    That all time chart is coming back. Thanks for asking about that.

    don’t reconfigure the site so that browser pages are geared only for mobile platforms

    About the narrow column, that was not done for mobile only—I see that your comment is that you do not like the desktop design separate from the mobile design. I am collecting and summarizing the feedback received so far to report it back to the developers. Thanks for taking the time to add your voice.

    #2167804

    About the narrow column, that was not done for mobile only

    Baffled by it could have been considered a good move for desktop. Who uses a portrait format monitor?!

    At the moment, stats are single column on my phone and double column on my laptop. Perfect. The saying that comes to mind is: if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!

    #2167805

    Thanks for the screenshot of the map of all countries (I can see this last one you posted), however, I know what it looks like, I just can’t get it to show up on my New Stats page. Is it my computer only or a bug? Does it use something that could be hidden because I use a cookie program and a do not track program that hides those things?

    I think others may have mentioned this but when looking a particular post’s stats, the total doesn’t show up on the graph only individual days and one must click each day to get the total. If we want the total views of the post we must scroll down, then scroll again on the horizontal scrollbar. Not fun. Too much work.

    Right now I can go to Published posts, search for a particular blog post, click the tiny stats button and go to another page for total stats and it looks like the very old stats page layout. Will that be discontinued, too? I do hope not.

    And while we are submitting suggestions for stats info, how about a stats button on the actual blog post that we can click to view total stats? That would be wonderful especially for older posts. It would save searching for the post first. Because of the various themes used that may not be possible, so perhaps another suggestion would have the stats link located under our blog’s name on the top admin bar on the far left hand side where we can choose to Edit our blog post, etc.

    Why isn’t there a grand total for the number of views of a particular blog post? This would be good to have for an older blog post that receives views months/years later on a regular basis. Right now I have to add up the views per year for all years to get a grand total of views. Not very convenient to have to get out the calculator to do this.

    On the New Stats page, the year is not indicated on the older posts only the views per month. Kind of strange that the years are left off. I checked out two different blog posts’ stats. One didn’t have the years listed but the other one did, however, the years didn’t align properly with the data. So there is some inconsistency there.

    Here’s a screenshot of an older blog post’s stats with the years listed but not aligned properly. This was taken in 100% view and also shows how much wasted space there is in this layout design.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/lorri37/16005003455/

    Looking up the stats on a very old post takes forever to load. So long that I can’t wait and have to go do something else then come back to it.

    #2167847

    Just noticed that Search Engine Terms are not listed on the New Stats page. Are they being eliminated?

    The map for countries can be seen now. What I did was allow google.com to allow cookies. So I answered my own question on whether another website’s cookies needed to be allowed for the map to show up.

    There is another thread on some of these issues:
    https://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic/massive-changes-to-the-wp-interface?replies=172 In case others may wish to follow.

    I will only follow this one as designsimply stated that I repeated questions on both threads.

    #2167848

    Just noticed that Search Engine Terms are not listed on the New Stats page. Are they being eliminated?

    Yes, they want to phase them out. I asked this question too. And it’s quite sad because Google does still show 20% of the terms and with high traffic I noticed that it is very accurate. The 20% of search terms that were showed in the dashboard, that were the search terms that were highly ranking in Google Webmaster Tools. It was very great indicator “when to log in to the Google Tools” and when a lot of people found your site with a certain search query.

    It’s a shame that WordPress decided to kill it. I agree that Google doesn’t transmit 100% of the data anymore anyway, but as said, the 20% were still accurate and the most asked search queries of our blogs.

    I still can’t understand how WordPress wants to take away this nice indicator.

    #2167849

    That’s one of the things I actually look at every day out of curiosity.

    Wonder if the stats page on the classic dashboard will remain?

    #2167863

    expnowhere
    Member

    I really dislike one column page. It is time consuming and inconvenient.

    What for we have this menu on the left side? Since I am using WordPress platform on my own hosting, I would never think of using anything that is on that menu.

    Visitors/Views stats is terrible, in old stats was possible to see views and visitors amount in different colors (light blue and blue), but now it is not possible to see the difference. It was one of the main reason I used WordPress stats

    Stats for “Countries” does not make any sense, since it is not possible to preview 7days, 30days …stats for it.

    I don’t want to sound too pessimistic but with this “new style” stats you will loose a lot of users and they will move over to Google Stats – which is more complex, but at least shows what is important.

    #2167903

    @dandelionsalad

    Thanks for the screenshot of the map of all countries (I can see this last one you posted), however, I know what it looks like, I just can’t get it to show up on my New Stats page. Is it my computer only or a bug? Does it use something that could be hidden because I use a cookie program and a do not track program that hides those things?

    The countries map should be showing. I don’t think blocking cookies would prevent it from showing, but something else such as a browser add-on can sometimes cause problems like that. It’s really hard for me to say what might be happening on your side. Perhaps try checking it from a different browser.

    I think others may have mentioned this but when looking a particular post’s stats, the total doesn’t show up on the graph only individual days and one must click each day to get the total. If we want the total views of the post we must scroll down, then scroll again on the horizontal scrollbar. Not fun. Too much work.

    Got this feedback already. Thanks for posting it.

    Right now I can go to Published posts, search for a particular blog post, click the tiny stats button and go to another page for total stats and it looks like the very old stats page layout. Will that be discontinued, too? I do hope not.

    There are no plans to remove the stats icon from pages like /wp-admin/edit.php in the classic dashboard.

    And while we are submitting suggestions for stats info, how about a stats button on the actual blog post that we can click to view total stats? That would be wonderful especially for older posts. It would save searching for the post first. Because of the various themes used that may not be possible, so perhaps another suggestion would have the stats link located under our blog’s name on the top admin bar on the far left hand side where we can choose to Edit our blog post, etc.

    I will add this to the suggestion list. I haven’t see it suggested before.

    Why isn’t there a grand total for the number of views of a particular blog post? This would be good to have for an older blog post that receives views months/years later on a regular basis. Right now I have to add up the views per year for all years to get a grand total of views. Not very convenient to have to get out the calculator to do this.

    I will add this to the suggestion list.

    On the New Stats page, the year is not indicated on the older posts only the views per month. Kind of strange that the years are left off. I checked out two different blog posts’ stats. One didn’t have the years listed but the other one did, however, the years didn’t align properly with the data. So there is some inconsistency there.

    Here’s a screenshot of an older blog post’s stats with the years listed but not aligned properly. This was taken in 100% view and also shows how much wasted space there is in this layout design.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/lorri37/16005003455/

    The misalignment is a bug, I see it in Firefox, and only if I have dismissed the live chat. Thank you for including a screenshot! I reported this issue.

    Looking up the stats on a very old post takes forever to load. So long that I can’t wait and have to go do something else then come back to it.

    I’m sorry about that. This might be due to system load after the updates. If you have load stats for a given post and then close the window and then browse back to the stats for the same post again, does the same problem happen or do the pages load quickly after you have visit the same stats page a 2nd time?

    #2167904

    @expnowhere, thank you for your feedback about the views/visitors bar graph styling and the lack of the summary links in the countries detail page.

    The countries summary pages are still possible, but you get to them in a different way now. Can you try the following?

    * Open the main Stats page
    * Click Months at the top of the page
    * Click the Countries heading

    You should see a 30-day month summary view for countries that way. Hope that helps.

    #2167912

    Thanks for coming back to this thread after 4 days, thought you forgot about us, designsimply.

    In a follow-up comment I posted:

    The map for countries can be seen now. What I did was allow google.com to allow cookies. So I answered my own question on whether another website’s cookies needed to be allowed for the map to show up.

    So, yes, indeed cookies made the difference on whether one could see the map graphic or not.

    Thanks for reading and responding to the other concerns I have about the Stats page.

    If you have load stats for a given post and then close the window and then browse back to the stats for the same post again, does the same problem happen or do the pages load quickly after you have visit the same stats page a 2nd time?

    What is the point on loading the stats for the same blog post twice? Yes, it is now cached so it loads very quickly the second time, but there is no reason to click it twice.

    Loading takes approx. 9-21 seconds. I’m using a reasonably fast Internet connection on a fairly new computer.

    Once on a post’s stats having to scroll to the right along the horizontal scroll bar is just another time waster.

    Good to know that the old dashboard stats page will be still available as that is the one I will continue to use.

    For those interested, there is a several-question long survey for input on the “new” Stats page: https://datateam.polldaddy.com/s/wordpress-com-stats?p=1 Also located on the “new” Stats page.

    #2167926

    What is the point on loading the stats for the same blog post twice? Yes, it is now cached so it loads very quickly the second time, but there is no reason to click it twice.

    It helps me to know the result of this troubleshooting test. Thanks for doing it. What it tells me is that the data takes a while to load for the first time you visit and then gets cached. That is helpful for me to know when I report the feedback is all.

    #2167927

    Thanks for explaining your reasons, however, I am not a beta tester.

    I do not use the “too-blue-to-use” WP pages: “new” Stats, Reader, Blog Posts, My Sites, nor the very poorly designed BBB editor.

    Why not ask the bloggers who like these “too-blue” WP pages to do your beta testing; I’m sure you’ll find those who would love to help out for free.

    #2167931

    Feedback comes in all shapes and sizes. Some of the feedback you have provided is very subjective (i.e. too blue). Even in beta testing, some people will like some of the updates and some will not. Using that feedback as a part of decision making is just one part of the design process. It’s a balance. It might swing one way or the other from time to time. Not all of the changes you suggest will be made, but some will! If you don’t take the time to provide feedback, that is entirely up to you. You have provided a lot so far! And I think I have a good understanding of what you would like to have changed. What I can do is collect this feedback and see how many others report the same thing. There is not a need to keep replying back here unless you want to continue to work together on feedback—but that is absolutely not required and you can spend as much or as little time to do that as you’d like. What I can do for you is be present, answer the questions I can, and collect the feedback. That is what I am doing. :)

    #2167934

    Thanks for understanding, designsimply. I know it’s your job to collect feedback from bloggers who are not happy with all these new changes this year.

    Still feel that having real beta testers is what WP needs to do in the future.

    #2167935

    I have done a little beta testing in the past, and I would love, love to do more of it. I think it’s an excellent suggestion. :)

    #2167973

    I don’t like this new change. The old stats page was better. I liked how you could see both the hits and visitors in one block instead of just one block of blue. I also preferred how it was laid out instead of continuously scrolling to find everything you need.

    Is there an option to keep the classic stats page like how you can do classic editor. I’d be happier if I could keep the old pages.

    #2167974

    Yes, there are 2 older stats pages that are still available. Not sure for how long.

    The oldest stats page is through the old dashboard, click on Site Stats on the left sidebar. This one has your colors that you’ve chosen to use for your administrative pages.

    The other stats page is all blue, has a map, and shows views/visitors, you can get there by going to the newest Stats page and then click “visit the old Stats page.” I think this is the one that will be discontinued and replaced by the newest Stats page.

    I highly suggest bookmarking either or both of these pages so you can get to them with one click instead of the multiple clicks.

    #2167984

    ingridcc
    Member

    @designsimply
    I’m confused by your reply to imageobjecttext about the history chart of an individual post only being 10 days in the new stats instead of showing the whole lifetime of the post as in the old stats

    In your reply you said:

    That all time chart is coming back.

    On another thread I was sure you told me you doubted that the graph of the lifetime history would come back (also that I was the only person who had brought this issue up!)

    As imageobjecttext says, those whole-lifetime charts of a post’s stats

    are great for seeing patterns over time

    Is this true that they will be reinstated in the new stats?

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