ugly font appears now in HTML version

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  • #625433

    @macmanx: Instead of the nebulous “Dashboard redesign, built on the feedback of millions of WordPress users” (which doesn’t tell us anything about the HTML editor font in particular), could you please tell us why you (plural) consider this font an “enhancement”?
    Also, the Excerpt field and the text widget field are designed for HTML too. Why weren’t they similarly “enhanced”?

    #625435

    macmanx
    Staff

    Why do I consider it to be an enhancement? Well, I wasn’t involved in the development this time around, but I like the font itself as a more visual indicator that I’m in the HTML editor vs. the Visual editor.

    As for the widgets, it was possibly an oversight, possibly intentional, that I can’t say. As mentioned above, we don’t make WordPress here, so this isn’t really the best place for these kind of questions.

    #625436

    ontheliner
    Member

    Hi macmanx – I’m appalled to read all the above. It’s a truisim that designers (both in print and online) never read the slabs of grey the rest of us call words. But this change of typeface in the HTML editor is a blunder of the first order for those of us who work with words for a living.

    This new typeface – in fact it doesn’t deserve the name of typeface because it breaks all the fundamental rules of readability – can be neither scanned horizontally nor skimmed vertically. It has clearly never been kerned, which is a fundamental technique for helping letters to hang together into familiar word forms. Instead, it demands to be read letter by letter, rather than word by word or phrase by phrase, as if we are children running our fingers along the line. Adults do not read that way.

    WordPress once enjoyed the reputation of being the host of choice for serious-minded bloggers. But this scribble of a typeface is an all too visible symbol of so much that is illiterate about the web – the Comic Sans syndrome.

    Macmanx, since you declare this change to be “here to stay”, please tell me the name of the “scribble” typeface so I know what I’m talking about in the forums you are banishing me to. And also the name of the excellent sans face all round it in the rest of the dashboard furniture.

    #625437

    ludusnaturae
    Member

    And there was nothing about such an important change in the announcement on wp.com blog:
    http://en.blog.wordpress.com/2011/05/19/just-write/
    Good night!

    #625438

    macmanx
    Staff

    ontheliner, The new HTML editor font is Consolas.

    ludusnaturae, if we covered every individual change, the post would have easily crossed into “too long to read” territory.

    #625439

    Sorry, the question was “why you (plural)”: I didn’t ask why James considers this an enhancement, I asked why WordPress considers this an enhancement.

    And you understand that when some users complain about a change, telling them that “this isn’t really the best place for these kind of questions” isn’t a very satisfying or convincing reply. Makes the “millions of WordPress users” argument all the more dubious.

    #625441

    macmanx
    Staff

    I guess the point I’m trying to make here is that everyone is welcome to follow along with and participate in the development of the core WordPress software, but this specific forum is not the place for that.

    The developers of WordPress do not monitor the forums here, they have their own venues to monitor, and those have already been listed in this thread.

    I’m not trying to “banish” anyone, I’m just encouraging you folks take your concerns to the venue where they can be acted upon by those with the powers to make the changes you’re hoping for.

    #625444

    groksurf
    Member

    Add my “no” vote to the list. The new font definitely makes the HTML editor harder to use.

    And there’s another irritating change to the HTML editor as well: when you highlight text and use the button tool to make it a link, the page context changes so the cursor’s edit position shifts to the bottom of the page rather than staying where it was. That’s very disorienting as well.

    #625484

    justjennifer
    Moderator

    Curiously enough, serif fonts are supposed to be more easily read than sans-serif fonts. Perhaps a different serif font/weight could be considered.

    personal opinion/
    Since WordPress.com is the beta test field for features being introduced into the standalone version of WordPress.org, feedback here should be expected and encouraged, especially since the users here also are part of those “millions of WordPress users” mentioned above. In fact, if I remember correctly, about 50% worth.
    /personal opinion

    #625490

    ludusnaturae
    Member

    It’s supposed that we all, WordPress.com users, are a mountain of ignorance.
    Feedback from us for WordPress software development isn’t useful, even for simple stuff as readability of fonts in UI.

    #625491

    ontheliner
    Member

    Hahahaha! Sorry, macmanx, I’ve visited those WP forums you offered links to and they are completely alien worlds written entirely in geekspeak. I wouldn’t even know how to contribute. And I doubt those people would understand what i mean by the word “readability”.

    #625493

    auxclass
    Member

    @ludusnaturae – a good programmer or software person ALWAYS gets feedback from the end users even if they are as some might refer to them as the great unwashed huddled masses.

    I used to do industrial software on processing equipment where putting a button on a screen in the wrong place could literally cause an explosion or result in breaking of equipment or people being hurt or killed – yes I paid very close attention to what the operators on the plant floor thought about everything in the operator interface.

    #625500

    timethief
    Member

    @macmanxx
    I would like to see a shift in the tenor and tone of the thread towards a problem solving approach that could create inclusion for WordPress.com users and parity with WordPress.ORG users.

    When the 2.5 upgrade was in development and being BETA tested by WordPress.ORG bloggers there was a demo site set up that we WordPress.COM bloggers could use and post feedback to. Is it possible that Staff and the our WordPress.com developers would consider doing the same for WordPress.com bloggers prior to upgrades in the future?

    I’m suggesting this because most WordPress.COM users are not to my knowledge conversant in coding and geek speak. In fact WordPress.COM has always emphasized that we do not need to be conversant in code we can just blog. WordPress. ORG also emphasizes one click installs and implies one does not need to be code conversant to run a WordPress.ORG install. I think it’s unlikely that most WordPress.COM users would be inclined to set up and run a WordPress.ORG install site simply for BETA testing purposes of upgrades in development.

    If WordPress.COM users were provided with a demo site they can “test drive” what’s proposed and provide feedback from their non-coder POV. I think that would be valuable feedback that would create party between the different types of users. Then the claim that the core WordPress upgrades are built on the feedback of millions of WordPress users will have more integrity, because at present the feedback from millions of WordPress.COM users is not being facilitated.

    Thanks, in advance, for considering taking what I propose to TPTB.

    #625507

    ontheliner
    Member

    Excellent summary, timethief. I have been blogging on WordPress about two years and don’t use most of the features I see around the dashboard and discussed in the forums because I simply don’t know what they actually do – or why I should need them. I took a deep breath coming here from Blogger because the basic WP dashboard with all its options is, for a non-geek like me who is concerned with writing and photography, extremely daunting. I still have no idea when uploading media what the results will be when asked to “Enter a link URL or click above for presets” and you have three options to decide between. Well, I leave them blank.

    Even those WP blogs offering techie tips can take an age to understand what they’re driving at. Since the new Coraline theme replaced my original choice, the editing interface becomes very temperamental, and can fill with junk HTML when you do try some of those tips – at your peril!

    #625510

    I posted an “idea” thread at http://wordpress.org/extend/ideas/ for us to vote on.

    The thread I started is called… Return the html editor back to a sans font instead of the new consolas font

    #625516

    ludusnaturae
    Member

    consolas font :-D
    This is that I suspected. Sure it’s the favorite one among geeks!

    #625517

    timethief
    Member

    @ludusnaturae
    Correct but we users are not expected to be coders and geek speakers whether or not we are using WordPress.com software or WordPress.org software. If that’s changing then the emphasis in the “public relations” documentation and wherever the ease of using WordPress is boasted about requires alteration.

    Consolas
    The Microsoft Consolas Font Family is a set of highly legible fonts designed for ClearType. It is intended for use in programming environments and other circumstances where a monospaced font is specified.

    “Consolas is intended for use in programming environments and other circumstances where a monospaced font is specified. All characters have the same width, like old typewriters. Consolas is intended for use in programming environments and other circumstances where a monospaced font is specified. All characters have the same width, like old typewriters, making it a good choice for personal and business correspondence. Optimizing the font specifically for ClearType allowed a design with proportions closer to normal text than traditional monospaced fonts like Courier. This allows for more comfortable reading of extended text on-screen.”

    Ha!

    #625518

    ontheliner
    Member

    Great, thanks, Squirrel. I’ve added my tuppence over on the Ideas forum. To be honest, I don’t think the HTML typeface needs to be sans (though the shortlived example we enjoyed last week was terrific). It needs to be calmer and more consistent than Consolas which has far too much distracting character! If WP want a fixed-width typeface, an alternative would be a typewriter-style font such as Courier because it has a consistent x-height and slab serifs to enable quick reading.

    #625519

    ludusnaturae
    Member

    But there is an important difference:
    Consoles have a pure white font on a pure black background, and not that light grey over white, without contrast enough for anybody, geek or no-geek.

    #625520

    ontheliner
    Member

    Well timethief those Microsoft claims are sheer tosh! Only a geek could say Consolas has “proportions closer to normal text” and gives “more comfortable reading of extended text on-screen.” It is an erratic and bizarre typeface. A readable typeface must be kerned to allow the letters to hang together in easily recognisable word-shapes. That’s the traditional way we read, after all!!! Not letter by letter.

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