Upgraded stats and changes to WP interface

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  • #2202660

    musicdoc1
    Member

    I didn’t find anything that looked like that at the new stats page, but that’s alright. I’m in no hurry to become familiar with that…place.

    #2202661

    I am not sure I understand.

    Are you asking about the Spark line? It is located on the administrative bar on the classic dashboard and classic admin. pages, also on our blog. If you click it (I don’t suggest doing so), it will take you to the “new” Stats page.

    Are you asking how/why others keep getting lost?

    #2202662

    musicdoc1
    Member

    Hi, dandelionsalad : )

    It is located on the administrative bar on the classic dashboard and classic admin. pages, also on our blog. If you click it (I don’t suggest doing so), it will take you to the “new” Stats page.

    I see it in my classic dashboard, but it does not take me to the new stats page. As I said above,

    If I click on the blue “dashboard” tab near the top of the left admin panel it certainly doesn’t take me to any new page. Thankfully, it links to the classic dashboard.

    #2202663

    apetcher
    Member

    @jeremeylduvall
    Stunning that whilst you are prepared to get involved in a minor technical issue you stubbornly refuse to address or provide answers to the big problems You closed down the previous thread with six bullet points – do you really think that was an adequate response?

    #2202664

    musicdoc1
    Member

    Are you asking how/why others keep getting lost?

    Not really. I’m wondering how they ever find themselves at the new stats page, or the “new dashboard” (Are these two the same thing?) unintentionally. It just does not happen in my experience.

    #2202665

    @fionamcquarrie

    Regarding the WordPress app for Android, you should be able to refresh the stats for a particular day by tapping that bar in the graph. This will force a refresh of the screen and you should see the activity indicator appear near the top. You can also refresh by swiping down on the screen (and you can usually start from somewhere in the middle of the screen) then the stats will revert to display those for the current day.

    There is no (i) or blue arrow on the display like the one in your link above, so I can see no way to conceal unused stats.

    You’re right, there isn’t currently a way to do this in the WordPress app. You can do it using a web browser on your device, just not the app. However it would be great to have it in the app so I’ve asked our mobile development team about it and will report back.

    #2202666

    I’m sorry people are upset that the previous thread was closed. We are happy to open it again however it was a bit long and unwieldy and people are more than welcome to start a new topic at any time and also to continue the discussion here.

    The feedback you have given us in that thread and others is much appreciated. Thank you! Our developers are making improvements to the stats all the time and much of this is thanks to feedback we get from you.

    We know that many people would like to continue to use the old stats and that’s fine. You can find the old stats by going to – https://wordpress.com/my-stats – or by clicking the link at the bottom of the new stats page. However the old stats are no longer going to be updated so you might find that as features get added to the new stats, the old stats will start to look less appealing.

    I realise there’s a bit of confusion with navigating around the various menus. If you’d like to get to the old Dashboard, there’s a link directly from the homepage of your site. Go to My Sites at the top left and choose WP Admin. If you’re in the new (blue) Dashboard, click My Sites at the top left and there’s a link on that page to go to WP Admin as well.

    #2202667

    I think many people log in at WordPress.com, so start at the “new” Stats page, then don’t know how to get to the classic dashboard easily.

    I log in on the classic dashboard, so don’t have to use the “new” too-blue WP pages at all.

    As far as the “no updates” for the old Stats page, I don’t care. I use the very old, classic Stats page (without the map) and it gives me exactly what I want to know with the customization of administrative bar and sidebar color scheme and modules that I can remove through the “Screen Options” at the top of the page. We can also rearrange the modules.

    #2202668

    @rachelsquirrel

    Thank you for the explanation. Why is this information not available on the app itself? As I mentioned, I only discovered the “spinning button” refresh through trial and error. And the alternate method that you describe is not something that someone would discover on their own.

    I now find that it is very difficult to get the stats for the current day- on the right hand side of the graph – to refresh by the tapping method. It takes several taps whereas the bars in the center of the graph are much more touch-sensitive and will refresh with a light single tap.

    I would still also like to know why there is any need at all for a refresh function with the older stats (from completed days when the stats will not have changed).

    #2202669

    @rachelsquirrel

    “so you might find that as features get added to the new stats, the old stats will start to look less appealing.”

    Most of what’s being suggested in this and the previous thread as changes for the new states are features that were in the old stats. A simpler way to reach the same point would be to keep the old stats *and* the new stats, and let users choose which one they prefer.

    #2202670

    anzlitlovers
    Member

    I don’t want to be negative, but so far, and I’m happy to be enlightened by WP staff if I’ve missed something, I can’t see any feature on the new stats that’s an improvement on the old stats. And the same is true of the new editor, each time I’ve inspected it, it looks exactly the same and nothing seems better than the classic editor. So I suspect that a clean and neat (tablet/mobile device-ready) interface (i.e. style) is what’s considered desirable, at the expense of other features.
    However I do hear what you say, and it bothers me. Over the time that they’ve been available the old stats page has had a steady run of new features, all of which I really liked (and I said so, when asked for feedback). So it bothers me that the plan is that Desktop Dinosaurs will be ‘punished’ for refusing to ‘move on’.
    I think the case of Windows 8 is instructive. Desktop users hated the tablet/tiles concept, and before long Microsoft introduced 8.1 which allowed us to choose which interface we preferred. So instead of the outcry warning everyone not to upgrade, the Windows community is comfortably explaining that both options are available and work equally well…
    PS I see that some readers, not having waded through the exhaustive posts about this topic, are reposting the same old arguments. Is not possible to put a sticky note at the top of this thread, summarising all the points that have already been made and passed on to The Head Honcho?

    #2202671

    fjordaniv
    Member

    Does this really happen?

    Clicking on the spark line (My Sites) menu brings you to the new dashboard. It used to bring you back to your blog/site. Exiting the customizer now also brings you to the new dashboard; formerly, the customizer would simply close, leaving you on the page you were modifying through the customizer (this was an extremely useful feature).

    In WP.org, the “My Sites” spark line lists the site’s name and brings you back to the site itself, and exiting the customizer places you into the page being modified. The behavior between the two was quite similar until recently.

    #2202672

    musicdoc1
    Member

    Clicking on the spark line (My Sites) menu brings you to the new dashboard.

    The link that dandelionsalad above, and previously (Sep 2014) Happiness Engineer jeremeyduvall, identified as a spark line (https://cloudup.com/cJAdCxlxwTt) is not the “My Sites” link, or even a menu item of “My Sites.”

    Clicking on the blue “dashboard” link identified by jeremeyduvall and dandelionsalad does not bring me to the new stats page.

    Exiting the customizer now also brings you to the new dashboard

    Exiting the customizer may bring you to the new dashboard. It does not bring me to the new dashboard.

    I also have no trouble logging directly into the classic dashboard and remaining there for hours or days without ever visiting or even approaching the new dashboard or stats page without intending to do so.

    #2202673

    musicdoc1
    Member

    My last post was @ fjordaniv, in response to the previous post.

    #2202674

    musicdoc1
    Member

    Perhaps I’ve made a mistake about what portion of the screen shot https://cloudup.com/cJAdCxlxwTt is identified as a “spark line.”

    #2202675

    fjordaniv
    Member

    My mistake. The spark line refers to the stats bar. Clicking on that will bring you to the new dashboard/stats page.

    I have verified that clicking on the My Sites menu and exiting the customizer also brings me into the new dashboard. I now longer use the My Sites menu, having bookmarked the classic stats/dashboard. There’s no workaround for the issue with the customizer. Perhaps these issues don’t affect everyone, but I now have to deal with still more clicking, in addition to the ugliness of the new UI.

    It’s a moot point for me now, as I’ve migrated my site to a self-hosted account. A new theme, a little tinkering, a site redirect, and I’ll be done with the problem—unless they decide to demolish the WP CMS interface as well.

    #2202676

    To be more clear, here is a better photo of the Spark Line:
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/lorri37/16469649205/

    Hover over it and you can see that it will take you to the “new” Stats page.

    #2202677

    musicdoc1
    Member

    @ fjordaniv, and dandelionsalad,
    Thanks. I’ve got it straight now, regarding the “spark line.” I think yesterday was the first time I’d heard that term.

    #2202678

    @fionamcquarrie

    I now find that it is very difficult to get the stats for the current day- on the right hand side of the graph …

    This sounds odd. You should be able to tap the bar on the very right of the graph to get the stats for the current day. It should only require one tap. It could be that the screen on your device has lost some of its sensitivity around the periphery. Does anything like this happen with other applications on your device? If not, then it might be worth sending us your log files to have a look. These can be found at Settings > Help and support > Application log. Email them to (email redacted).

    I would still also like to know why there is any need at all for a refresh function with the older stats

    You’re right, there is no need to refresh stats for previous days since these are not going to change. Indeed if you swipe down from the centre of the screen it will refresh the stats for the current day and take you to the view for the current day so this is an alternative way to see those stats if the bar chart isn’t responding properly to taps. But the bar chart should also respond to gestures so feel free to send us the log files if you think it’s not performing as it should. Thanks!

    #2202679

    @ lisahillschoolstuff

    I don’t want to be negative, but so far, and I’m happy to be enlightened by WP staff if I’ve missed something, I can’t see any feature on the new stats that’s an improvement on the old stats.

    Yes, at this stage, the new stats and the new editor are still a work-in-progress so there isn’t anything glaringly obvious that they offer over and above the old versions. However there are a couple of features worth mentioning.

    The new stats will let you view information by year. For instance, if you go to https://wordpress.com/stats/year/lisahillschoolstuff.wordpress.com (other people in this thread will need to replace the URL at the end of the link with their own) you can click each year in the bar chart and see a break-down of the stats per year. So if you click on 2013 in the bar graph you can see all the posts and pages you created that year and all the views for those pages throughout the year. It’s not possible to see this information with the old stats: you can only see the current year or all time.

    The new editor also has a really useful feature which is not available in the old one: it saves drafts to local storage in your browser. What this means is that if your computer crashes while you’re typing up a post or the internet goes down, then your browser has a stored copy of the post. Then the next time you go to this page with the same browser – http://wordpress.com/post – it will ask whether you want to restore the local draft. No-one wants to lose a draft they’ve spent time creating so this is a very useful feature and I know from personal experience that many users have found lost drafts there.

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