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What oath do your pollies make?

  1. Today I went on a research mission to find out what our parlimentarians swear to do when they take office. Found it rather hard to actually find out, believe it or not. Then when I found out, I'm not sure I know what it means!

    How does it work in your country?

    The blog I need help with is

  2. Good Point. Don't know what oath they make but I will check it out. There used to be floor-crossing which made any oath a joke. That's out the window but will check the rest out. Doubt it will make sense tho.' Politicians are a problem everywhere.

  3. “I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

    The "without purpose of evasion" seems to trip them up quite a bit. Or, most likely, they've never even read the Constitution. :-)

  4. That's interesting MomFrog - nothing in there about actually serving the people of the USA.

  5. The Oath of Office is to protect the Constitution. The Constitution protects the Blessings of Liberty, Domestic Tranquility, and establishes the Justice to serve for what is in the best interest of the people, thus protecting the people.

  6. Individuals or the collective?

  7. I rather liked this - had me in stitches. Hope you like it too!

  8. It can be considered protection for both individuals and the collective. Yet, I believe it was, technically, meant for the collective.

  9. In the UK Parliament the Oath is

    “I (name of Member) swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, her heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.”

    Members of the devolved Welsh and Scottish assemblies must take a similar oath but often in their native tongue.

    The devolved assembly of Northern Ireland is a different story though given the recent history of our wee country. Here the elected officials do not take an oath but have to sign a Members Pledge. Which goes a little something like this.

    (a) to discharge in good faith all the duties of office;
    (b) commitment to non-violence and exclusively peaceful and democratic means;
    (c) to serve all the people of Northern Ireland equally, and to act in accordance with the general obligations on government to promote equality and prevent discrimination;
    (ca) to promote the interests of the whole community represented in the Northern Ireland Assembly towards the goal of a shared future;
    (cb) to participate fully in the Executive Committee, the North-South Ministerial Council and the British-Irish Council;
    (cc) to observe the joint nature of the offices of First Minister and deputy First Minister;
    (cd) to uphold the rule of law based as it is on the fundamental principles of fairness, impartiality and democratic accountability, including support for policing and the courts;
    (d) to participate with colleagues in the preparation of a programme for government;
    (e) to operate within the framework of that programme when agreed within the Executive Committee and endorsed by the Assembly;
    (f) to support, and to act in accordance with, all decisions of the Executive Committee and Assembly;
    (g) to comply with the Ministerial Code of Conduct.

    Catchy eh?

    Of course this does not apply to Westminster where members must still take the oath if they want in. Sinn Fein representatives refuse to take the oath and thus do not sit in Westminster as they appose Westminster having anything to do with Northern Ireland and are not so crazy about the whole swearing allegiance to the Queen thing.

    Hope that makes sense, UK politics can be a little ropey given all the devolutions, crown dependencies etc. In fact I was seriously once asked if the UK owned Canada. Madness.

  10. @mypassionislaw - yet how can we care for the collective if we ignore the individuals that make up the collective?

    @thelastexploere - WOW - they make sure they cover off the detail! I'm surprised it is so ling and ours so short, given that our system is based on your system.

    Isn't the Queen still the head of state of Canada?

  11. @mypassionislaw I have to disagree. The rights of the individual are supreme and by guaranteeing the rights of individuals, the collective will benefit.

    It's important to take all the documents of that time to understand the whole picture. The Declaration of Independence, The Constitution, and the Bill of Rights paint a picture of a government concerned with individual rights.

  12. @momfrog - now that I like! 'The rights of the individual are supreme and by guaranteeing the rights of individuals, the collective will benefit."

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