What would WordPress do in this situation?

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  • #18035

    nosysnoop
    Member

    Someone’s site that I visit just came back yesterday after being out for over a week. Sent her a message at MySpace asking what happened and she said that her hosting company took her site hostage and wouldn’t give it back and sent her a bill for over $3,700 for going over the bandwidth for that month. Yeah right. Like she has the money?? But the site is back up after she moved it somewhere else. And luckily she had her site on backup. So she didn’t lose anything like some other sites I know in the same situation that didn’t know about backup and lost years of work.

    #18154

    podz
    Member

    WordPress isn’t a host so that wouldn’t arise.

    $3700? That’s beyond ridiculous.
    Who is this host?

    #18155

    nosysnoop
    Member

    I just checked her site now and she’s hosting her site now on WordPress. :) But I think the previous host was GoDaddy:

    p.s. never use Go Daddy to host your website.

    address:

    Sarah

    http://s2.supload.com/free/help.jpg/view/

    #18156

    podz
    Member

    I’ve edited the above to remove the address.

    Looks like 633*1 GB ? That’s a massive bandwidth hit. And it’s still a stupid bill.

    Looks like Dreamhost are the current site’s host.

    #18157

    nosysnoop
    Member

    Last I heard she gets over 10,000 unique hits a day. But she doesn’t use thumbnails. I told her to but she hasn’t. I told her not to pay the bill but she said they have all her information.

    #18158

    drmike
    Member

    GoDaddy – Doesn’t surprise me. I have clients whom have registered domains with them that have been held hostage after their doamins were ‘Joe Jobbed’ by spammers. A Joe Job is when a spammer uses a domain that’s not theirs in the reply field of an email spam and all of the bounced emails or those that can’t be delivered go back to that domain. It’s named after joes.com who is generally considered the first site to go after a spammer for doing this.

    She probably got slashdotted or something. It’s one of the reasons why I don’t have a hard limit on bandwidth with my clients because I have about 6-10 a week that got linked via /. or another news service. I tell folks 100 Gigs a month but I think I only have less than a dozen sites up around there.

    $5.99 a gig for overages? Ouch! That’s high.

    A quick looksee at Google shows me that there’s a lot of other sites on the net hotlinking to her images. That’s when they post her pictures on other sites and not host them locally. (Like what folks do here when they post a flickr picture in one of their posts.) I bet that that’s where most of the used bandwidth went.

    You may want to suggest to her that she might want to rethink her hotlinking policy. If she continues to allow others to use pictures like this, her bill is going to happen again and again.

    She might be able to talk to godaddy but I’ve got to admit that I’ve really never heard them to backdown on one of their bills.

    Although its strange that they let her rack up this amount of overages without any form of warning or notice.

    #18160

    britgirl
    Member

    Perish the thought, but what happens to our blogs if WordPress goes down? Do they get backed up?

    #18163

    timethief
    Member

    britgirl yes our blogs are backed up if you search the forum and perhaps the FAQ you will find specific threads on this.It’s come up more than once.

    #18170

    podz
    Member

    britgirl – they are backed up hourly and daily.

    #18171

    podz
    Member

    What this should not do is dissuade anyone from going for their own domain.
    Things like the above are rare – especially if you choose good hosts who talk to you.

    #18173

    matt
    Staff

    We don’t charge for bandwidth or spikes. People get slashdotted and digged and such every day which is totally cool. I think it’s silly to punish your most successful bloggers. :)

    That said, WP.com is not meant to be a file host. If you just want image hosting or similar, check out someplace like Flickr or Imageshack which are designed for hotlinking and image hosting.

    #18174

    nosysnoop
    Member

    The big forums now hotlink all the time to sites like ours because they don’t post pictures on their own forums anymore because of all the lawsuits that came with posting pictures with tags on them, Getty, etc. They can only now post pictures that they took themselves and also pictures that they paid for.

    What’s the difference between a host hosting someone’s site, and powering a site like how the bottom of her site now says Powered by WordPress? I thought WordPress was like a hosting partner with those other hosts like Dreamhost.

    #18176

    podz
    Member

    Dreamhost is where the site sits.
    WordPress is what the site is made of.

    It’s also very easy to stop all hotlinking. There are a number of places that offer help to do that.
    http://www.clockwatchers.com/htaccess_tool.html
    is one, a google for anti hotlinking should turn up a pile of others.

    Hotlinking can cost a LOT of money and it’s all at zero cost to others. You have to protect against it because they are stealing your bandwidth.

    #18177

    nosysnoop
    Member

    I upload most images at supload.com. Their thumbnails are a good size and not really small. So isn’t it them that gets screwed with bandwidth? lol

    #18178

    podz
    Member

    True.
    I hosted all the images for my wordpress guides on free ISP space so it cost me nothing. But then I found hotlinkers who were duplicating my guides. As I could not stop that hotlinking – and therefore theft of my content – I brought all the images into my website and stopped hotlinking. Cost me more in bandwidth but it protected my work.

    #18186

    drmike
    Member

    I brought all the images into my website

    A good idea. That way you have complete control over where your files are used. That’s one of the reasons I set up my Gallery and put in a “Don’t let the search engines scan me” robots.txt file. I allow hotlinking but I’ve got bandwidth to burn.

    And have you ever noticed that when you get slashdotted or mentioned on a news site, is the day the server starts acting up? I got dugged heavily a few days ago and my host’s network went down. Lots of fun.

    #18197

    timethief
    Member

    Pardon me for being dense.I’m trying to follow this conversation and becaue I’m a newbie I’m confused.

    If the line is as blurry as I think I’m hearing then I’m wondering why on earth I been bothering to ask for permission and additionally to only upload images from sites that allow free uploads for “non commercial use” only.

    If a person doesn’t get permission to post photos like the ones nosy does from their owners then isn’t it a violation of copywrite? And if WordPress allows people to post photos for which permission hasn’t been given doesn’t that make WordPress an accomplice too?

    Now let’s take this one step further suppose WP does allow advertising on blogs do the photos uploaded then become uploaded “for commercial use”.

    This is mind-boggling for me but I truly can’t see where the copywrite use line is being drawn, and where the “commercial” use aspect enters the picture and whom should be paying for bandwidth and at what point.

    #18198

    drmike
    Member

    If a person doesn’t get permission to post photos like the ones nosy does from their owners then isn’t it a violation of copywrite?

    Yup. :)

    One of the reasons why I push thumbnails as I would believe they would be covered under fair use. I consider my webcomic to be fairuse as well since a screen capture is only a small part of the entire complete work. Now, if I was to post an entire episode, that would be a different story.

    And if WordPress allows people to post photos for which permission hasn’t been given doesn’t that make WordPress an accomplice too?

    No, that’s different. Donncha and I had a chat about this a few months ago and WP.com is considered to be a “Common Carrier” like the phone company. There’s no way all of the blogs here could be monitored, much like there’s no way for a long distance company could monitor all of their phone calls made through them. They aren’t responceable for the content being carried over their equipment.

    Now, that wouldn’t stop them from being sued though. I get a few lawsuits and “cease and desist” orders every month with the hosting I do. I’m pretty well covered as above and also my TOS states that anyone posting stuff in their webspace is telling me that they either have permission or the copyright to do so. I usually get my portion of the case thrown out and, by then, I’ve already booted the client causing trouble or they’ve removed the material. Only once have I agreed with the client and we settled that one out of court. (The client got permission as who actually held the copyright was a grey area anyway.)

    The commerical use would probably be a grey area as well but I could see where they would fall under ‘Commerical use’ if there we adverts on the site in question.

    Of course I still haven’t gotten a check from Google for their adverts yet. :)

    #18199

    timethief
    Member

    WOAH! This is all so very new, weird and loaded with ticking legal timebombs. So I guess I’ll just go on doing the right thing.[sigh]

    Shucks! There are sure some beautiful photos out there I’d like to help myself to but if you’re asked I didn’t say that, right?:D

    #18200

    podz
    Member

    http://faq.wordpress.com/2006/06/16/stock-photos/
    Have a look at those.
    All are clearly labelled, and the vast majority are free.

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