Why Do Some Themes Have Local Tags Instead Of Global Tags?

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  • #149619

    judyb12
    Member

    then your blog has to be set as “private”. There is no way around this.

    #149620

    raincoaster
    Member

    Won’t having staff set the blog as Mature have the same effect?

    #149621

    judyb12
    Member

    ah, yes, i think it will. Good point, Rain

    #149626

    options
    Member

    no, it won’t!

    getting Mature status set will have quite an opposite and unexpected effect.

    namely, both Category AND Tag links within a “mature” blog posts lead into blank “Not Found” global tags page which says:

    "Sorry, we don’t have any posts here with that tag. 
    
    You may want to try one of the sites below."

    and below there are only Automattic’s partners sites.

    so, judyb is correct: unfortunately, “Private” status, i.e. protected from indexing by the search engines, is the only but unacceptable way to have the sane (from the point of usablity) links behavior in the post metadata on wordpress.com

    #149628

    wank
    Member

    Sending 404s can’t be intended behaviour. Nobody wants to make their site look more broken than it is. Did you get any reponse from support when you told them about the bug?

    #149629

    mark
    Staff

    I can fix 404’s – I just need the blog name.

    #149630

    timethief
    Member

    @mdhillison
    Your wordpress.com username is currently linked to a website rather than to a wordpress.com blog. Are you getting 404’s? If so please let Mark know what the url for your blog is.

    #149631

    options
    Member

    Mark, you can fix 404s, but these pages have “200 OK” response in their headers indeed.

    sorry for the possible confusion, I just called such pages “Not Found” because that’s how they really should be called as I believe.

    Adam (SBK) was first who mentioned this issue (and I have to admit I didn’t catch it at once), but then he also linked to such mature blog post in the comment he left on my blog.

    I don’t know whether it’s an intended behaviour or a true bug — mature status and global tags are kind of a ‘grey valley’.

    not sure if I ever sent a request on this issue to the support, but taking such an opportunity a month ago I directly asked about this issue Andy who kindly replied in the thread mentioned above (and obviously had a chance to read Adam’s note as well).

    then I asked the same question directly Matt too, who was also kind enough to provide me with some details on the nature of Automattic’s business.

    and no, in both cases I didn’t get any response from them — it’s probably either because I was too harsh or they were too busy to follow up those threads.

    PS
    just in case if there are too many linkbacks to my blog they can be safely removed and relevant threads referenced can be found via ‘google custom search’ link on the sidebar (regular WP search doesn’t look for comments and Pages), search terms are: mature empty.

    #149632

    options
    Member

    and no, mdhillison is not getting 404s.

    but she is

    still just baffled over all of this. I want local and global stuff. Am I nuts are shouldn’t ONE be local and the OTHER be global?

    #149633

    mark
    Staff

    http://atomicolicious.com/

    I can’t see anything wrong there.
    There is no tag cloud and the categories I clicked worked.

    What am I missing?

    #149634

    wank
    Member

    The bit where she said ‘I just want the globals out of my post’?

    It’s confusing the kids because when they click on the post category links, this sends them without warning out of the safe space of the blog into the unmoderated wilderness of global tags.

    We’ve suggested one possible solution (flagging the blog as mature) and would like to know whether it will work. Please confirm that if a blog is hidden from search engines and/or marked as ‘mature’, its post category links will lead to the category page for that blog. Any other behaviour is seriously broken. Blogs which are not part of the global tags system should not be forced to link to it. Nor should their post links be leading to a ‘not found’ message.

    (Another possible solution would be to label the post links as global; but it’s been made clear on multiple occasions that you’re not willing to do that so I’m not really sure why I bothered mentioning it. After all these months of kvetching I’ve come to accept that ad revenue is more important than accessibility.)

    #149635

    timethief
    Member
    #149636

    atthe404
    Member

    Of course strictly speaking there are no *kids* at WordPress dot com anyway. Cough.

    #149644

    options
    Member

    hello there

    wank wrote:

    Sending 404s can’t be intended behaviour. Nobody wants to make their site look more broken than it is. Did you get any response from support when you told them about the bug?

    you’ll be laughing, but, yes, it can!

    here is my “Feedback” request (as Mark don’t quote original requests I had to recall it):
    .
    ———————-

    this is just one of a Mature blog posts:
    http://udoj.wordpress.com/2007/08/07/broken-chains/
    (navigation in other posts is broken the same way)

    this is where this post category link leads to (“Not Found” Global Tags page):
    http://wordpress.com/tag/blogs-in-our-monkeysphere/

    1. why Mature blogs which are not part of the Global Tags system are forced to link to it?
    2. why their post Category links are leading into a ‘Not Found’ page, which don’t even contain the post that sent you there?

    ———————-
    .

    here is the response I’ve got:

    From: support @ wordpress.com  < Mark @ wordpress.com >
    To: (email redacted)
    Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007
    Subject: [WordPress #KNH-592276]: [categories] [options.wordpress.com]
             Why the Category links within a Mature blog posts
             lead into "Not Found" Global Tags page? 
    
    Hi,
    I've checked udoj.wordpress.com and it is working as I would expect.
    -
    
    Mark

    see: “it is working”!

    just not as you or your casual visitor (or anyone else but wp.com staff) would expect…

    now this is really a “hands down” situation.

    and it’s not even about that ‘ad revenue is more important than accessibility’. as I’ve already said somewhere:

    * GT pages don’t have ads on them, Matt said:
    We don’t show ads on that traffic, and our business is such we don’t need to.

    * GT do increase distribution of other categorized/tagged .com blogs within a total number of page-views, however they don’t increase net page-views number on .com.

    if it were about ‘ad revenue’ indeed, then I wouldn’t even bother myself to mention it anywhere and shut myself down, because this farking GT system would be reasonable, at the very least.

    but it’s NOT even about profit (or, at least, I can’t see how), and that’s exactly what making it so absobloodylutely mind-boggling.

    #149647

    wank
    Member

    This is where Matt admits to showing ads on the global tags pages:

    We very occassionally [sic] show Adsense (contextual text ads) on post and tag pages.

    Presumably the ‘traffic’ Matt refers to is from wordpress.com blogs into the tags pages. OK, so he’s not misleading our readers in order to get clickthroughs from them. However, forcing every wordpress.com user to link to the tags pages does substantially increase the chance of said tag pages turning up in Google searches. More people coming in from Google = more people seeing the ads. The baffled wordpress.com users are just collateral damage.

    Blogs marked private are allowed to opt out because their linkbacks won’t count for anything in Google. Mature blogs are not, because the global tag links were never intended to be useful for anyone other than Automattic. So what if they’re forced to link to pages that have nothing to do with them? It’s another PR link for the pages in question, which is all that matters.

    So it is, still, absolutely about ad revenue, just not precisely in the way we were speculating. What this explanation leaves out is why they don’t label the links. I’m inclined to revert to my original feeling that this is merely laziness.

    #149648

    FWIW, i don’t know if this is something they’ve changed in the past few days, but they’re NOT sending 404’s, they’re sending 200 OK’s for empty tag pages, despite the fact that it is, in fact, an error page. that, of course, along with the always amusing

    X-hacker: If you’re reading this, you should visit automattic.com/jobs and apply to join the fun, mention this header.

    #149649

    options
    Member

    re: ‘to join the fun’

    not sure if sending responses as such one:

    it is working as I would expect

    would be too much of fun.

    #149652

    matt
    Staff

    options, et al, please save the paranoid conspiracy theories for your own blogs. Don’t pollute our forums. Closing this thread.

    #149653

    timethief
    Member

    @matt
    Prior to closing this thread, would you please take the time please to answer the OP’s question for us?

    Why Do Some Themes Have Local Tags Instead Of Global Tags?

    #149656

    matt
    Staff

    That question was answered a while ago, before the conspiracy theories started even.

    It has nothing at all to do with themes, it had to do with his friend having the “hide this blog from search engines” option enabled, which makes the tags go local, and has for over a year now.

    What’s funny is the OP’s friend actually wanted the links to be global and changed her options so they would be, so the subsequent pet issue ranting is that much more ridiculous. Add that to the fact that half or more of what options and wank said has a low correlation with reality, and it becomes obvious that you guys need to get out more.

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