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Why "summary" option is misbehaving through categories?

  1. Summary is not working when browsed through category
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  2. Whether or not full posts are displayed on Categories Pages and Archives pages is theme dependent ie. it's coded into the template and we cannot edit templates or themes.

    In the majority of themes, posts on category or other archive pages show up just as they do on the main posts page in the blog and the number displayed is also the same. (See this page > Settings > Reading and note how many posts you choose there sets it for all). But in some themes only the beginnings of posts are shown, and in a few themes you only get titles or thumbnails. See here for a theme list of themes that may display the way you want > Category/archive pages: full posts or not

  3. timetheif, could you answer my question as well? Thank you.

  4. synapticcohesion, you have already received a reply in your original thread:

    Please stop hijacking the threads of others.

  5. I don't know if it's clear. It was behaving as expected until last week.
    If you clould take a look at, on the left side "Categorias" when I chose for instance a category that had (4) posts, it would come 4 summaries and now it's coming opened in full text. But if I use the "search" on the top right side the results come correctly displayed in a short form (summary).

  6. Different themes operate their category archives differently when it comes to summaries vs. full posts.

    In your case, the theme you have chosen displays full posts in the category archive views.

    I took a look at the theme's history, and that behavior has not been changed recently.

  7. Sorry, I didn't look broadly enough. We're actually rolling out full posts in the archive pages as a change to as many themes as possible, including Digg 3.

    This is design to avoid user confusion on the summary vs. full post behavior.

  8. Hi MACMANX,
    So, if I understood well, this is a change in this theme (Digg3) and others.
    In this case I have to look for a theme that show my posts as before, as a summary.
    Am I right?

  9. Eventually, all themes will display full post content on archive pages instead of excerpts.

  10. @macmanx
    I think that duplicating content to appease a minority of unhappy campers, who want full posts on both the Archives and Categories pages is unfair and unwise. The trend towards a minority appeasing squeaky wheels without even consulting all of us does not good down well with me. However, I shall suck it up and steel myself to expect more of the same in the future.

  11. edit: The trend towards appeasing a minority of squeaky wheels without even consulting all of us does not good down well with me.

  12. @Tess

    But there is apparently no guarantee

    that any theme will continue to have functional custom excerpts.
    I hear you and I am among those who strongly prefer to create my own custom excerpts. Being able to do that is one of the criteria I set for choosing any theme. Not happy!

  13. No, neither am I. Custom excerpts were among the top reasons I chose a theme. And in the themes I am now using: Chateau and Imbalance2 for my main blogs, work and personal, I think it will be a sorry mess of hundreds of posts.

    As I've said, in this and other threads, it is not good to take away control from bloggers for the way their sites look. And I have not heard many/any users complaining about not having complete posts in archives/categories. In fact, I have answered more questions here in these forums from folks who want to control what is shown as shortened posts.

    IMO the complaints have not come from low level everyday users but have, for reasons I don't understand, from above.

  14. Thanks for the feedback on this change, everybody. The idea with this change isn't to take away control from users but to provide content to readers in places where it feels like the content should be there. We'll probably always have unique themes where highlighting excerpts in neat ways works well. Imbalance 2 is a perfect example of that. Excerpts are cool! :) But arbitrarily showing excerpts on archive pages for some themes while showing the full content, images, videos, and all, on other, very similar themes makes for an inconsistent experience. In most cases, we'll be delivering full blog posts to readers in archive pages, defaulting to a consistent experience for everyone. There'll always be cool exceptions though.

  15. @themeshaper
    I'm so unhappy about this that I don't know how to express it.

    I don't buy into the "provide content to readers in places where it feels like the content should be there" notion. That sounds like beginner blogger nonsense-speak to me. Where is the value in Staff making a minority happy and not notifying the rest of us that this change was afoot? How does that behavior create a strong sense of community?

    I'm a librarian and a long time blogger. I have never desired nor preferred to use themes with Archives and Categorizes pages containing duplications of full blog posts. Dynamic Archives and Categories Pages operate as Indices ie. as Index Pages that readers can quickly scan through and click in from to read full posts.

    Why create triplicated redundancy throughout the majority of all themes here to appease a small faction, who have yet to be seen stating their case for change on these forums?

    In what way does scrolling through full posts on Archives and Categories pages improve the visitor experience?

    In what way does creating triplicated redundancy of content benefit ie. Automattic?

    I don't get it.

    I say no thanks to triplicated redundancy. I don't need and don't want full posts displaying on my Archive or Categories index pages. My titles and brief custom excerpts communicate what's in my posts. Please, please don't take the ability to create custom excerpts away.

  16. I agree wholeheartedly with timethief. Archive/Category pages are and should function as indices to the blog's content. One big reason I settled on my current theme (The Morning After) is the way the Archive page is set up. I think it's the best possible presentation for readers who want to quickly and easily browse my content for posts of possible interest. Titles alone don't provide enough information, and it's too time-consuming to scroll through entire posts. (Pull up "Politics" on my blog, and you'll have to scroll through more than 600 posts. Of course, you can narrow that to "Election 2012" and only have to scroll through 130 posts.)

    Yes, I feel strongly about this. I'm a retired editor/publisher and long-time blogger. I've spend a lot of time trying to make content accessible to readers.

    Why would you embark on a plan to make all Archive/Category pages the same, particularly when the plan you have in mind is illogical, bad design? What's the point of offering dozens of different, professionally designed themes if you are going to set about making them all the same?

    It seems to me that users who want full posts on their Archive/Category pages should simply change to a theme that already offers that. That's what I did when I wanted certain design features. But if you insist on redesigning themes to accommodate the desires of a few, I suppose I should submit a list of the changes I'd like to see in The Morning After. Let's see, for starters ...

  17. Dear Themeshaper and Macmanx on the contrary of what you are defending, the kind of content I am providing gets more confusing to a reader if it's not delivered as a summary (or excerpts) in a category. The content is about law and if I have a category on a specific subject I can choose among the ones that suits me better. As each post can be too long because subjects concerning law have long text, the reader (user) will have to scroll lots of text to find other posts that concern to same category or subject. You are pushing me away from a theme that I chose and was working as expected.
    Will this "Imbalance 2" work as I need? what will happen with my content?
    I don't believe this was a fair decision but anyway I can't do anything, right?

  18. @themeshaper
    I totally agree with timethief.
    I manage 2 blogs and one has long posts thats makes using the archive a very annoying experience for my readers. At least the themes should have an option of showing full posts or excerpt.

    Another site effect of this change is on the search result from Google, and probably other search engine. Search result pages now points to archive pages and the posts since the full content are duplicated. Before, on my blogs, it mostly pointed to posts. I wonder how Google will treat this duplicated content and the impact on ranking and showing up search result...

  19. Search result pages now points to archive pages and the posts since the full content are duplicated. Before, on my blogs, it mostly pointed to posts. I wonder how Google will treat this duplicated content and the impact on ranking and showing up search result...

    I share this concern as well.

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