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  1. thewhitelilyblog

    Hi, forum guys,

    It's a beautiful morning in Chicago, how's by youse guys?

    Listen, help a girl out, in a post entitled 'Letter to Castrillon Hoyos" I keep putting in spaces after the address, after the salutation, and so forth, the way they'd appear in a letter, and the program keeps taking them out. How can I make it mind me?


  2. hey there, in the post you use the html view and where you want a space use " " (remove the "") this will create a space where you want, it may be desierable to use it many time in a row but will format your letter to how you want.

  3. Silly me,
    see that made a space between the "" and i wrote "&""n""b""s""p"";" remove all the ""

  4. thewhitelilyblog

    Are you trying to say that I should make spaces with the space bar, all the way across the row? Gee, that seems like work! Why doesn't the enter key function in this situation!? Let's see if anyone knows.

  5. The problem is that that post ended up getting all wrapped up in div tags which is what caused the issues. If you notice on the page with the full post, some of the paragraphs have blank lines between them and some do not. This is caused by the div tags.

  6. I suspect that post was copied and pasted from somewhere else, such as the web or another program since it has span tags that define font color, font family and font size.

  7. neilosjay is trying to say that you can use the following in the HTML editor:


    That is a non-breaking space. It is rendered in your browser as the following:

    Herecomesthenonbreakingspace...getready...hereitis thereitgoes(yupitain'tmuch)

  8. When I view it in Firefox 3, some of it is in Times (serif style) and down further it is in a san-serif font like Arial.

    If I were you, I would open the post for edit, click on the "remove formatting" button on the toolbar, and then go back and add in the paragraph breaks and such as you want them.

  9. /nod to tsp

    Right...That is what I was thinking. Whenever you copy, you need to past using the HTML editor and remove all tags.

    Perhaps thewhitelilyblog, was meaning paragraph breaks instead of spaces in the original post?

  10. (head to forehead) Must remember to reload before posting....

  11. Blah...hand to forehead...

  12. thewhitelilyblog

    Blah to all of it--I tried just using the spacebar or whatever the original respondent was trying to say and messed the spacing in the post up.

    I have been using the special paste, from Word. However, I am now using Word 2007 and there seems to be a disjunct in the formatting vis a vis WordPress' setup. So I guess I'll work my way through these posts, that is, do what sacredpath said to do, remove the formatting, and see what happens. Or kill the post and do it again. (Beats vacuuming.)

    Yes, I did mean 'paragraph breaks' (also known as spaces, back in the Old Days) in my original post. That's what one usually puts between the elements I named.

  13. If you are pasting from Word, copy the text in Word. Open you WP blog and start a new post. Before pasting, click on the HTML tab to switch to HTML mode. Paste your text. Then save post. Switch to Visual Tab. Your post should look "plain" with no formatting. Now, you can edit and add para-breaks etc.

  14. Wait - please don't tell people to post that way. The FAQ is clear on why not to use Word Pasting it in the HTML tab does NOT clear out that formatting mess. That is the reason there is a special Paste from Word icon.

  15. Sure Vivian...thanks! I guess I must be the exception.

    So...disregard my previous post. And do not paste from Word. Use the special Paste from Word icon.

    Thanks Vivian...

  16. thewhitelilyblog

    But I'm saying, it doesn't work! I mean, pasting from Word 2007 (the latest one, I think). I had spaces -- oops, I mean paragraph breaks -- in the original, in my Word 2007, and they will not 'stick' when pasted with the Word icon.

    Maybe I ought to save as a 2003 version, I have that option. I didn't have so much trouble with it, copying and pasting with the Word icon.

  17. If it doesn't work, then why not use something else? Windows Live Writer is free and works beautifully with the blogs here.

  18. The problem are the div tags, which were brought in from Word. It doesn't matter if you used the "paste special" or not, they made it through. Paragraphs wrapped in div tags do not have extra blank lines between paragraphs. You only get those when you have "p" tags wrapping the paragraph.

    I've spent 20 minutes fixing the post and removing the code left in from Word. Copy the below and paste it into a new post.

    Cardinal Prefect, Congregation For the Clergy<br />
    Piazza Della Città<br />
    Leonina I, 00193<br />
    <p>Rome, Italy<br />
    Dear Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos,<br />                                                                                                                                 <p>I just read what you wrote about how some traditionalists were still not satisfied after the <em>Summorum Pontificum</em>, and were writing letters and posting their complaints on the internet to have more traditional masses available. You seemed disturbed. I would like to tell you why I am tempted to complain in public, too.</p>
    <p>I am a person who likes to go to daily mass. I <em>need</em> to go to daily mass. My adult children have so many challenges in their work and relationships, and I still have, as their mother, all the cares for their spiritual and material welfare, not to mention my own concerns, made sharper with advancing years. So daily mass seems to me to be a necessity at my stage of life, like exercise and vitamins, and as much a comfort as pain pills.</p>
    <p>But I cannot go to a decent daily mass without making an expensive and lengthy trip downtown. Because there are no reverent and obedient daily masses in my neighborhood.</p>
    <p>Yesterday, for example, at a site northeast of me by six or eight blocks, besides having a Eucharistic minister for the ten or so people who had come to the only daily seven-thirty mass, besides having no place to kneel to receive Our Lord except to kneel down and rise unassisted from the flat marble floor, or kneel not at all, besides these things (that are burdensome enough), there is this: after mass, when one ought to be able to make a little thanksgiving to Christ still physically present in one’s body, every single other person present at morning mass turned to a neighbor and began a private conversation, just as soon as Father left the sanctuary.</p>
    <p>Some stood talking, some sat together, one actually stepped over a pew to sit companionably with the person behind. It required a hop, made easy by the stretch pants. The church was happily abuzz with socialization that should–if we believe in the real presence of Christ the King–have taken place in the vestibule. As it always did, prior to the Council. Now it is as if–”the show” is over. We can talk now.</p>
    <p>Is it a small thing? Do you really think so?</p>
    <p>It is not a small thing to me. Oh, I can give myself all the talkings-to in the world, how I should be more patient with my fellow Catholics, how I should even join them, what’s the harm, a little friendship, we’re only human, etc.
    <p>But my Catholic training is too strong. <em>Christ is present.</em> That is all. These women like myself, older, lonely, women whom I would ordinarily like, and help, and suffer their–<em>our</em>–little idiosyncrasies with a laugh; or younger women on their way to work, stopping at mass just as I once did, and upon whom I would ordinarily heap my blessings and praise and love: these women young and old appear to be–witches! In that harsh light, with their backs to Him, stealing from Him. Denying Him. Simply witches, greedily lapping up the grace still flowing in the space, from the altar, from the cross. Taking what is His.</p>
    <p>A second possibility for morning mass is six blocks in the other direction. It is a magnificent church with the most beautiful old crucifix. They also have a seven-thirty mass. There is also a mere handful of faithful present. Father must like to sing, because he sings every sung part of the new mass, even though there is no organ and no one to direct us. He tries to get us to sing, but only a couple do.  He expects us to make beautiful music at seven-thirty in the morning without any–music.</p>
    <p>When Father must interrupt his singing/directing to attend to the other business in the mass, the parts only he can do like the consecration, he still hums along, or just hums alone, into the fully-amped clip-on mic.</p>
    <p>There’s a commentary here; this is the disturbing part. It’s not about music at all, and it’s ugly: the hidden commentary is that a rich spiritual life is equally easy, equally casual, or it ought to be. No struggle, no pain, no practice needed, no strain, just open your mouth, whatever comes out is pleasing to God.</p>
    <p>There is no possibility of sin in this approach to sacred music nor to life. There is no such thing as off-key, so you just make yourself happy, yes?</p>
    <p>But to notice the hidden commentary is to say nothing of the torture of actually listening to it. Cardinal, I confess that I have sneakily put my hands over my ears, done something that rude. I think most people react with more restraint, by simply–not showing up. The empty pews. The empty, empty pews, with that beautiful crucifix of Our Lord hanging there, suffering again.</p>
    <p>At this mass, also, Father invites us to chime in with our own petitions after he reads the official ones. Most are homey-please pray for Aunt Betty, she’s sick with the fits again. Some are political, of dubious orthodoxy. “Support the success of all those working for democracy in the Church, Hear us, O Lord,” that was one last Tuesday. A person is placed in the position of appearing to support them, and what is one to do? Shout out, ‘Leave me out of praying for the success of your party candidates or your ambiguous causes? </p>
    <p>No, one does not shout. One often fails to show up at the next mass, though.</p>
    <p>Father also likes to substitute an old Irish blessing for the one in the rubrics (he’s such a cool ethnic guy) and he leaves the sanctuary and joins us laity for the Peace sign (he’s such a friendly guy), and the sacred vessels are cut glass rather than precious metals, because this is here, this is not Rome (as Father told me when I protested). And of course there is no place to kneel to receive Our Lord, and this congregation also likes to chat as soon as mass has ended, except that in this church the lady lector likes to stand right at the edge of the sanctuary and dead in the middle,  and invite people into the conversation. They stand so that all have their backs to that suffering God, and they talk away, gesturing, laughing out loud. She invited me to join them once, and I don’t know what she made of my look, and it made me feel so bad, because in any other circumstance, I’d be so happy to participate: invite me to coffee, or walk me to the corner. Just not here in God’s presence!</p>
    <p>Father has gone, of course. Father would never, ever take five minutes and pray after mass-or before, either. He doesn’t join in the conversation, in this church, but neither does he come out wielding a cat o’ nine tails, which is what I kneel there in the midst of them and furiously pray for. When I should have been praying for my children. For my brother’s health. For myself.</p>
    <p>But who can concentrate on prayer in all the post-mass sanctuary socializing? The dissonance is too large: who is right, do we come to church to pray to God, or to socialize? Is the place for prayer at home, is that the message, and not here in front of the Blessed Sacrament? Is He, there in the tabernacle, invited into the conversation? No? Doesn’t it hurt His feelings, just a little?</p>
    <p>The real message is, <em>He is not here, He is not here at all, once mass is done. That</em> makes sense, that explains their actions. And this feeling almost makes me cry, and I have to kneel there and pray hard against the temptation not to step out and step over to the corner and pick myself up a little something-something and come back and blow these disrespectful, disbelieving people straight to hell. Well, it <em>is</em> America, Cardinal Castrillon. Chicago, to be exact. It’s how we roll.</p>
    <p>I’m only kidding about that, trying to show you how much it hurts.</p>
    <p>Do I sound shrill? Is this another one of those uncharitable traditionalists’ letters posted on the internet?</p>
    <p>Because postage to Roma is expensive, but you don’t provide an internet address.</p>
    <p>Because you’re only one person, what are the chances a little note will be read, if it should reach your actual address?</p>
    <p>Because, and this weighs more heavily, it seems <em>you</em> think the reform of the reform is <em>done</em>; that there <em>are</em> no more important abuses. Isn’t that the official position? We got <em>Redemptionis Sacramentum</em> and the bishops nodded and smiled, and now everything is tidy, and the only reason to ‘release’ the traditional mass is to appease those darn Lefevristas from SSPX and those other cranky traditionalists.</p>
    <p>Or even, it seems Rome is saying, if a little ‘leavening’ of the new mass is needed, a little review of the basics, a little reminder of exactly Who is in charge here (that the traditional mass so quietly yet eloquently provides), well, every city-every <em>big</em> city anyway-has one or even two every week, somewhere downtown. Or maybe it’s once a month, but still. Isn’t that enough?</p>
    <p> Isn’t it?</p>
    <p> Uh: no.</p>
    <p>Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos, sir, I just want to go to daily mass, a mass without abuses according to the rubrics as defined in <em>Redemptionis Sacramentum</em>, except with a couple of things you forgot, some cleaning up of the ambiguities, especially around Eucharistic ministers (calling on them to resign their commissions evidently wasn’t enough) and also including one new directive about <em>not chatting inside a Catholic church</em>, oh, and also something excruciatingly specific about music in the new mass (content, accompaniment, director, practice), and this new rubric enforced by-the mafia. Don’t you have any unused mafia lying around?  Or a couple reformed Jesuits?</p>
    <p>But if you can’t certify (by on-site inspection, please, such as those endured by hospitals and schools)  that masses without abuses are available in my neighborhood, then <em>give me the traditional mass</em>! <em>Every</em> day, in <em>every</em> parish!</p>
    <p>Thank you,</p>
    <p>Jan Baker, The White Lily Blog</p>
    <p> </p>
  19. Forget the above, it didn't work with the backticks here.

  20. Actually, it did work. Open the old post for edit, go to the HTML tab and delete everything there and copy all in the grey area above and paste it into the HTML tab. You will have to single-space the address and such (use shift-enter/return).

  21. thewhitelilyblog

    Man am I spoiled!

    May God repay you, Dios le pague.

  22. You're welcome.

    The paste from word thing in the wordpress editor sometimes can be fooled and some stuff that will mess with the formatting can slip through.

    If you copy from Word, my suggestion is to first paste it into a plain text editor such as notepad or text edit and then copy and paste out of the plain text file.

  23. thewhitelilyblog

    Supposedly yuo can paste as plain text (is right next to the paste from Word box) but then I lost the Arial font. So this time (for a new post) I used the Paste from Word and it worked okay. Next time I'll try what you said above--into Notepad first. Thanks again!

  24. Notepad will remove all formatting including font tags. It will strip it all out, even bold and italics.

    What you might want to look at is Windows Live Writer, which is an offline blog editor made by Microsoft and according to what I've heard, it will fix and convert Word code (when you paste from Word) so that it doesn't mess up wordpress. Basically you compose your posts in it (or paste into it from Word) and then it actually publishes your posts bypassing the wordpress editor all together.

    It's free and actually quite well done.

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